TV DEMO PREPCHECKING PART 2 | TV DEMO: PREPCHECKING, PART I |
LRH: Okay. Have a seat. Shut the door. | |
There we go. | |
LRH: (laughs) All right. Pick up the cans. | PC: They can see me? |
- Okay, honey. Is it all right with you if I begin this session now? | LRH: Yeah, sit forward. Way up. Attagirl. Attagirl. Now, here we are. Make sure I got a pencil. Now, a little bit over here – puts a strain on the situation. I hope that’s all right with you. |
PC: Yes. | PC: oh, sure. |
LRH: All right. Here it is. Start of session. Has the session started for you? | LRH: You probably wonder why you are here. |
PC: - Mmm. (clears throat) | PC: I am consumed with curiosity. |
LRH: Very good. All right. How are you - doing? | LRH: Well, actually, you are here because you’ve had a continuing present time problem. |
PC: Well, I'm fine now that I'm back in the chair. I was a bit dispersed (chuckles) out in the hall. | PC: O-o-o-ooh. |
LRH: Oh, yeah. AU right. Now, very good. Have I missed a withhold on you? | LRH: And a bunch of alleged – . What’s the date? 2 May. |
PC: No. | PC: Alleged? |
LRH: Well, there's a little latent tick here. There might be something on it. (pause) There it is. | LRH: Alleged prepchecking was done on you, and I’ve just given a lecture on missed withholds… |
PC: Well yeah. Just uh . . . (chuckles) I was pretty, pretty far out of present time when you (laughs) ended the session. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. All right. Okay. | LRH: … and I just want to show people how awful easy it is. You know, if people would just relax about the thing, you know, and just do it, it’d all be all right. But they don’t. They manage to do everything else. Well, here we are at 8:24. Now, see what your tone arm is reading here. Oh, it isn’t very bad. That’s about 2.4, at sensitivity 16. All right. Now, what we’re going to do is very, very simple. All I’m going to do is locate some of the missed withholds everybody has been playing tag with, you see, and that they’ve been having a marvelous time with. |
PC: That's... | PC: That’s fine. |
LRH: All right. Did I fail to find out about that? | LRH: And we’re going to straighten this out. But the truth of the matter is that – apparently, whoever was giving you a Prepcheck was missing on most cylinders. I mean, I don’t care if whoever sits there and hears me, you know? I mean, there’s a – this is, you know, I mean… |
PC: Yeah: | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. When was that? | LRH: … this is just an oh-my-God situation, see? |
PC: Well, when I went clattering down the hall by myself I couldn't find Suzie's bathroom. | Now, there’s more to all this than everybody is doing, you understand? And it’s also simpler. So we’re going to straighten this out if we can. We’ll see what luck we have. |
LRH: All right. Very good. Okay. Now, have I missed a withhold on you? | PC: That’s fine. |
PC: No. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. Is there anything else there? Any other thing I might have missed a withhold on? | PC: I want to find out, too. |
PC: Mm-mm [no]. | LRH: Why, you – you’ll find out. All right. Okay. So, here we go. Is it all right with you if I start this session now? |
LRH: Okay. Now let me check this. | PC: Yes. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: All right, here it is. Start of session. Okay. Has the session started for you? |
LRH: Have I missed a withhold on you? All right. That's going independently. | PC: Mm-hm. |
PC: What does that mean? | LRH: Very good. What goals would you like to set for this session? |
LRH: Now, you listen to me. | PC: Well, to find the missed withholds! |
PC: All right. | LRH: All right. Good. Any other goal you’d like to set for this session? |
LRH: Now, you listen to me now. | PC: Yeah, to get the PTP handled. |
PC: Okay. | LRH: Hm? |
LRH: To me. To me. All right. Have I missed a withhold on you? | PC: To get the PTP handled. |
PC: No. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: That's right. You're absolutely right. (chuckles) | PC: That’s enough. |
All right. Now, we were going great guns here on something that happened in a cornfield. | LRH: All right. Is that enough? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. Now, is it all right with you if I get on with this? | LRH: All right. Any goals you’d like to set for life or livingness? |
PC: Sure. | PC: Yeah. I want to get through the – make a concerted effort to study and get through this stupidity ridge I’m sitting in on the… |
LRH: All right. Now, apparently you've been packing an awful lot of they-should-have-found-out-about-me's here, on this subject. | LRH: All right. |
PC: Um. | PC: … material. |
LRH: Hm? | LRH: Any other goal you’d like to set for life or livingness? |
PC: Mostly Mother, yeah. | PC: No. That’s enough. Mm. |
LRH: Well has this been basic - yes, it's Mother all right, because I've got a double tick here I'm following down. | LRH: All right. That’s it. All right, good. Now, here we go. Now, look around here and tell me if it’s all right to audit in this room. |
PC: Umm. | PC: Yes. |
LRH: It's a - I'm getting wider ... the closer we get in to the base on this, why, the more we're getting close to this little - double tick. Okay? | LRH: All right. I got a little tick there. What do you… |
PC: Mmm. | PC: I noticed the picture. Everywhere I go, I see that picture. |
LRH: And that's what we're looking for. We're looking for something ... Apparently every time you say something about your mother or his mother, or something, we get this double tick. | LRH: oh, yeah. Yeah. All right. Okay. Now, look around here and tell me if it’s all right to audit in this room. |
PC: Yeah? | PC: Yes. |
LRH: See, I can turn this on here. All right. What should your mother have found out about you? See, and there's a ... there it is (chuckles) - little one. | LRH: All right. There’s just one little tick left there. Anything else about this room? That’s it. That’s it. |
PC: Yeah, this is ... | PC: Mm. Just noticing the bed. |
LRH: See, I say something on that order. Now, you want so answer that question? | LRH: Hmm. That’s it. |
PC: Well, sure. She should have found out that I wasn't ah ... as pure and perfect as she thought I was. | PC: Not anything special about it. |
LRH: As who was? | LRH: All right. It’s going kick on it. |
PC: As she thought I was. | PC: Is it? |
LRH: Oh, all right. All right. | LRH: Yeah. It did. What’s about that bed? |
PC: Or that she insisted that I should be ... | PC: Rather out of place in this room. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: It’s out of place. |
PC: ... is more in line. | PC: Yes. |
LRH: All right. Now, we're following down the track here about sleeping with a man to trap him. | LRH: All right. Good enough. |
PC: Umm. | PC: Belongs in a bedroom. |
LRH: And we're mining gold all the way. But I think there is an incident before 1926. | LRH: All right. |
PC: I think there is, too, but I haven't a clue. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: And where is it? You said two years earlier. | LRH: Very good. Okay. Look around here and tell me if it’s all right to audit in this room. That’s fine. Thank you very much. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Mm-mm. |
LRH: And you didn't know whether it was or wasn't. Well, what happened two years before this time? Where were you living? | LRH: That’s clear now. All right. Are you willing to talk to me about your difficulties? |
PC: In uh ... | PC: Yes. |
LRH: That's it. | LRH: All right. There’s just one little slightly latent tick on that, you might say. |
PC: Park City. | PC: Mm. Well, I – I – it’s difficult for me to reach for you. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: oh, there is… |
PC: Montana. | PC: Yes. |
LRH: Park City what? | LRH: … oh, it is. All right. Okay. Are you willing to talk to me about your difficulties? |
PC: Montana. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: Montana. Park City. All right. And is there some sort of an incident there where you got all missed up with somebody or something? | LRH: That’s fine. That came out. That’s clear now. All right. Are you withholding anything I got a tick there. |
PC: Mm-mm [no]. | PC: Just more of the same. I’ve got so many overts on you that I tend to individuate, is… |
LRH: Is there any incident in Park City? I don't know here. I'm getting a little bit of a rough line. | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: Well, there could be but... | PC: My ineffectiveness on dissemination. |
LRH: Is there some incident in Park City? No it isn't Park City. Is there some ... | LRH: All right. Okay. Well, right this minute, are you withholding anything |
PC: Is it Glen Ullin - Glen Ullin, North Dakota, then? | PC: No. |
LRH: Is that earlier? | LRH: All right. Thank you very much. Are you – now, let me see if this is clear. |
PC: Well, that would be in - when I was four, we moved from ... | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: Are you withholding anything Well, that’s pretty good. There’s just the tiniest tick there now. |
PC: ... Glen Ullin to Park City. | PC: Hmmmm. |
LRH: Well, haven't you any memory back of ... | LRH: Just the tiniest tick. You might – what’s that? Right – right now, just right this minute, are you withholding anything |
PC: No. | PC: No, there isn’t anything I’m not willing to talk to you about. There’s a whole gob of stuff, of course, that I… |
LRH: ... that at all, huh? | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: Just splotchy pictures. | PC: … got rattling around. |
LRH: Hm-hm. Just got some pictures? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Mm. | PC: But not withholding anything from you. |
LRH: What pictures? | LRH: All right. Very good. All right. Let me test this again. |
PC: Well, I've got a picture of a stone house that I assume is my birthplace. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: Are you withholding anything Well, we’ve got that clear enough. It’s nothing but a latent read on it. |
PC: Then later in Park City, I've got a couple or three pictures. | PC: Mm. Good-o. |
LRH: Hm-hm. All right. Is there any other - incident here with your brothers? I get a little slowdown there. | LRH: Okay. Now, do you have a present time problem? That’s – I get nothing – an equivocal registry on this, very latent. |
PC: Well, there is the one incident with my brother Bob. But this is not on sex-line stuff. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: What about that, what roughly? | LRH: But what are you laughing about there particularly? |
PC: Well, I was supposed to care for him, and ... | PC: Well, just, I’ve got a chronic PTP. |
LRH: And you didn't. | LRH: All right. But right now, aside from that chronic PTP, do you have a present time problem? |
PC: Well, there's some mystery on this one. I don't understand my reactions in that. | PC: No. |
LRH: Well, what is your reaction? | LRH: All right. There’s a little tick there. There’s just a little tick there. What is your problem right this minute that… |
PC: Well, a little girl tried to take him away from me, and I got panicky ... | PC: Well, a little bit of a hope that this session comes out so it’s real instructive for the students. |
LRH: Hm-hm, | LRH: oh, well! I’m not – we’re not running this session, you know, for the students. That’s all right. |
PC: ... and it's way out of proportion to the situation. | PC: I – I know. But I – they feel very close right now. |
LRH: Well, what happened? | LRH: All right. Very good. |
PC: I hit her in the stomach with a rock. | PC: They’re almost in the room. |
LRH: And what happened with that? | LRH: That’s fine. And that’s what you… |
PC: That's all. Just - she... I - it hurt. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Hm-mm. | LRH: … what you thought of there. |
PC: And I got my brother back, but ... | PC: Mm-hm. |
LRH: Hm. How old were you then? | LRH: All right. Very good. Thank you. All right. Do you have a present time problem? |
PC: Four. | PC: No. |
LRH: About four. Is that the incident here on the 19... | LRH: That’s dandy. That – that – oh, I don’t know. There was just – there’s just one little other tick there. I said „dandy,“ but a little bit too soon. |
PC: 1924. | PC: Yeah, well, I do have a problem with the course. I could put my attention on the course at this time and uh… |
LRH: That's the 1924 incident. | LRH: Mm-mm. Mm-mm. |
PC: Mmm. | PC: I just – an awful difficulty in passing material. |
LRH: That's it. Tick-tick. | LRH: All right. Okay. Now let me check this again. |
PC: Mm-hm. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. This have to do with a man? | LRH: Do you have a present time problem? Well, there’s an infinitesimal flick. We’re getting it cut right down now. There’s just an infinitesimal flick before a latent flick. |
PC: Hm. Took my brother, who was a ... | PC: Mmm.; |
LRH: All right. Well was he ... | LRH: There’s two flicks here. |
PC: he was younger. | PC: Uh – well. |
LRH: What was he? A boy? | LRH: All right. Now, what might that be? |
PC: Mm-hm. Two. | PC: Well, am I going to be terminated next week without a classification? That… |
LRH: All right. It had to do with a boy. | LRH: oh, I see. |
PC: Mmm. | PC: … that’s the problem. ~ |
LRH: All right. And what about this boy? | LRH: No, you were already extended, I think. That’s uh… |
PC: Well I was supposed to take care of hm. | PC: oh, was I? |
LRH: Right ... | LRH: Yeah. |
PC: Mother said I should look out for him. | PC: oh, good-o. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: we weren’t worried about that. |
PC: Ant uh ... I had agreed to ... to care for him. | PC: Yeah. Well, that… |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: All right. Instructions were that people that this caught with only two or three weeks to go, and so forth – they got extended. |
PC: But uh ... this little girl was just teasing, said I was ... she was going to take him away from me. And just - I got panicky. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: It was automatic. All right. Let me check this again. |
PC: And I it is - it was just almost a reflex action. I picked up the rock and threw it at her to stop her ... | PC: Mm. |
LRH: Hm-mm. | LRH: Okay? All right. Do you have a present time problem? |
PC: ... from taking him away. I don't know where the hell she would have taken him. | PC: No. |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Well, we’ve got this awfully, awfully cut down, but there is just a little hair there. |
PC: She was only four, too. | PC: Well, this could go into the chronic PTP, actually, because this is what I’ve got keyed in. |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: You see? | PC: It’s how do I get effective enough to do something about my marriage and do something about dissem – dissemination. It’s just the whole ball of wax. |
LRH: And where did the rock cut her? | LRH: Hmm, hmm, hmm. All right. This is a constant worry to you. |
PC: In the stomach. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Uh-huh. She bleed much? | LRH: Hm-hm. All right. Now, aside from that PTP, which we’re going to take up here anyplace… |
PC: It didn't cut her.- It just went POW in her stomach. | PC: Yeah, I know. That’s… |
LRH: I see. It just went POW in her stomach. Did she bleed much? | LRH: … do you have a present time problem? |
PC: She didn't bleed at all. | PC: No. |
LRH: Are you sure? | LRH: All right. I still get a tick. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Well, see, the course is part of this one because… |
LRH: You're sure? | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: Well, no. Of course, I'm not sure. (laughs) But I don't think so. | PC: … this is where I hope to get effective enough to do something about my livingness. |
LRH: Come on. How seriously was this little girl injured? | LRH: All right. All right. All right. |
PC: Well she ... she cried. And I just imagine, because it hit her in the stomach, that it was awful painful. It is when it - when I get hit in the stomach. | PC: And that’s the only thing that is worrying me. |
LRH: Huh? | LRH: Mm-mm. All right. Okay. Let me check it again. Do you have a present time problem? I’ve got a tiny flick. Right this minute. Now, I’m not talking about – . Now, we’re going to take up your… |
PC: It's... | PC: Yeah, I know. |
LRH: What else did you do to her? | LRH: … husband and the course and dissemination. |
PC: That's all - I think. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. Did you hit her in the stomach? | LRH: We’re going to take all that up. But, right here, right now – right now – do you have a present time problem? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: No. |
LRH: With a rock. | LRH: That’s it. Thank you. All right. I’m going to let that ride… |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Okay. |
LRH: That's it. With a rock. | LRH: … because we got it clean as a whistle. Okay? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. Who else did you hit with a rock? | LRH: Now, I would like to do a little Prepchecking on you, if that’s all right with you. What would you say to that? |
PC: Oh, well, heavens, I ... | PC: That’s fine. |
LRH: Oh, well, now we're onto something else. | LRH: All right. Here we go. First thing I’ve got to do is look at your folder. |
PC: Now, yeah. But not earlier. I mean, I used to throw rocks at my brothers. I don't think I ever hit them though. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: Uh-huh. | LRH: And we seem to have been racking up a lot of O/Ws on the course and O/Ws, O/Ws, O/Ws. Well, O/Ws aren’t missed withholds and they aren’t problems. Well, you got a lot of stuff here about snakes. No, nothing marked null on that. And destroying plants, and snakes and – . Somebody is having a ball here one way or the other. Wonder how far afield you can get. That hasn’t anything to do with it. Let’s get into something here. Let’s get into something here, shall we? |
PC: I was a lousy shot. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: All right. But which one of them did you blood? | LRH: Now, you got a present – chronic present time problem about your – not trying to upset your auditor or anything like that, if your auditor is hearing all of this. It’s not he. This started with your auditor earlier. |
PC: How did blood get into the act? | PC: oh. |
LRH: I don't know how blood got into this. | LRH: And it’s been going adrift, and all I’m going to get into is I understand you have a chronic present time problem now that has to do with your marriage and your husband and so forth. Is that right? |
PC: - Oh. (pause; laughs) Well, well, there's my brother Bob. There's the incident when I hit him into a rock. I mean, it was concrete. It wasn't I - that I threw a rock at him, but I hit his head into a rock - into concrete. | PC: Mm. Actually, part of it is Bill and Donna, too, of the Scientology Center. |
LRH: Hm-hm, you did. | LRH: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: It’s all one big ball of wax, really. |
LRH: And that bled? | LRH: Hm? |
PC: Yeah, that bled | PC: It’s all big bunch – big – one big bunch of wax and glue, like. |
LRH: That bled. | LRH: All right. Now, were you having trouble with your husband before you had trouble with this Center? |
PC: That bled. Yes. | PC: No. |
LRH: All right. Fine. How old was he? | LRH: oh, you only had it since. |
PC: Uh-... he was older then. He was - oh, I should say four and I was six. That's roughly. | PC: Actually, it all started at the same time. You see, I met my husband through the – Bill and Donna. |
LRH: All right. And what did you do? | LRH: oh, you met your husband through here. |
PC: I made an airplane out of him. I was swinging him around ... | PC: It all started… |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: I see. Well, we get a fall here on the Center. |
PC: ... me. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: Mm. | LRH: we don’t get much of a fall on your husband. |
PC: I was going around and held him by the feet, you see ... | PC: Yeah. But that’s the problem. |
LRH: Mm. Mm. | LRH: How about your husband? No. |
PC: and I was swinging him round, and I hit his head into the concrete block. | PC: Well… |
LRH: Because you were dispersed. | LRH: All right. And how about the Center? Well, you’re thinking about something else, now. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: I am? |
LRH: Go on. | LRH: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Well, I actually don’t feel that the problem with my husband is acute anymore because oh… |
LRH: And what happened there? | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: Well, I injured him very seriously. | PC: … I can separate this one out. |
LRH: How seriously? | LRH: Hm? |
PC: Well, he's still got a knot on his head which he ... | PC: It’s actually Scien – Scientology is my problem. |
LRH: Uh-huh. | LRH: oh! |
PC: assures me every time I see him that I did it. And I did. | PC: How do I disseminate effectively? |
LRH: All right. What did this do to him mentally, at the time? | LRH: All right. All right. |
PC: Hmm. Well, he - I think he was almost out cold. | PC: You’re part of it. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: All right. |
PC: I was going to say it cold-cocked him. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Well, did it? | LRH: Okay. And how long has this been a problem? |
PC: Uh ... it stunned hm, it uh ... it did. Yes. | PC: Mm, actually, it’s been a problem since 55. |
LRH: Mm. Mm. What did you think you had done at that time? | LRH: Hmm? 55. Earlier? Earlier than 55? Yeah. |
PC: Well, I thought I had injured him beyond repair, really. | PC: 50. |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: 50? Was the problem in 50? |
PC: Like his head was pretty wide open. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: And when was that? | LRH: Yeah. We’re getting a fall now. |
PC: 1926, I would say roughly. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: All right. This predates this Center, huh? |
PC: I'm not sure. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. When was it? Have you been told about this or do you remember it? | LRH: All right. What about 50? |
PC: Oh, no. I remember it. | PC: Well, that… |
LRH: You remember doing this. | LRH: Spring of 50? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: No. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: Summer? |
PC: ... was having a ball. | PC: It was in late September, early October when I met – read first spoke. |
LRH: All right. And? | LRH: All right. September, October. Okay. Did you have some auditing sessions at that time? |
PC: And I slipped, actually. I mean, I got his head too low, and it cracked up against the concrete. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Uh-huh. | LRH: Mm-hm. |
PC: And he - he was stunned. I don't remember whether Mother patched him up or not. | PC: That’s when I went into Jackins’, because he was my first Instructor. |
LRH: All right. Well what might have appeared there? | LRH: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I well know this particular combination. |
PC: Well, the wound. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: Hm-hm. Very good. And who didn't find out about it? | LRH: All right. Now, what we’re going to do here is we’re going to operate on a Zero question. And let me just test two or three Zero questions here. |
PC: I don I think Dad did. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: Hm-hm. Who did you withhold that from? | LRH: All right? |
PC: Well, from Dad. | PC: That’s fine. |
LRH: Hm-hm. Anybody else fail to find out about it? | LRH: I’m going to say, has an auditor ever failed to find out something about you? All right. That’s not it. What should have been found out about you? All right. What should have been found out about you? Have you ever failed to find out about something? What should have been found out about you? Well, that seems to have a little reaction there. All right. So we’re going to put that down as the Zero, in spite of the fact that it starts with what. |
PC: The doctor. I don't think he was taken to the doctor. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Took him to the doctor? | LRH: And what should have found – been found out about you? What should have been found out about you? That’s it. |
PC: They didn't take him. | All right. Now, we’re referring clear back to September? Something like that? October? |
LRH: They didn't | PC: October. |
PC: Mm-mm [no]. | LRH: It’s October. |
LRH: Doctor didn't find out about it. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Mm-mm [no]. | LRH: October 1950. |
LRH: Well, who else didn't find out about it? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: (sighs) I'm not so sure Mother did. I think it was my sister patched him up. | LRH: All right? |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: Mm-hm. |
PC: I don't remember, but I don't think she did. | LRH: And what should have been found out about you at that time? |
LRH: Was there a big secrecy involved in this? | PC: Hm. |
PC: Well, just occlusions more than secrecy. I don 't remember. | LRH: That’s it. |
LRH: Oh, no-no, no, no, no-no-no, no, no. Now, now, you weren't carrying any banner signs around there ... | PC: Well, that I was – actually didn’t have – well, I – I was – I was stupid. That’s – that’s my biggest problem, is my stupidity. |
PC: Oh, of course not! | LRH: All right. Okay. Very good. And did your stupidity get you into some trouble at that time? Nope. |
LRH: ... telling everybody "I busted my little brother's head open." | PC: Uh-uh. |
PC: No no, no. No. | LRH: Well, who failed to find out about this? |
LRH: All right. Who did you keep this from? | That’s it. |
PC: Oh, well, I kept that from the kids in school, and teachers, and... | PC: Well, Jackins. |
LRH: Hm-hm, And your father and your mother? | LRH: Jackins? Jackins? Oh, you’ll have to come again. |
PC: Mother, and anybody that would have made me guilty. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: Who was it? Who was it? You’ve got him. who was it? |
PC: Like the towns people. | PC: Well, I’m looking at Jimmy. |
LRH: Very good. And do you actually remember, now, suppressing that? | LRH: Hm? |
PC: Yeah. Sure you wouldn't - that's a now-I'm-supposed-to, actually. I mean, you wouldn't go around saying you'd bashed your brother's head in. | PC: My – my first husband, Jimmy. LRH: Jimmy? All right. Was it Jimmy? Jimmy? We got a little halt on that. Jimmy? Jimmy. |
LRH: Yeah, but did your mama know about it? | PC: Mm. |
PC: I don't think so. | LRH: All right. Anybody ever ask any Prepcheck question on Jimmy? |
LRH: How did she escape knowing about it? | PC: Overt-withhold on him. |
PC: Oh, well, my sister was very effective in patching up wounds. | LRH: No. |
LRH: Mm-hm. Mm-mm. She helped you suppress this. | PC: Not Prepchecking, no. |
PC: Yeah. Well, actually my brother did too. | LRH: Anybody ever ask you any Prepcheck questions about Jimmy? |
LRH: He helped you, too. | PC: I – a husband, actually. Not Jimmy. Yeah, I think they did. I think Ava did. |
PC: Well, we protected each other from our parents. | LRH: Mm-hm. When was that? |
LRH: All right. Very good. And did you get your brother to agree not to tell? | PC: When Prepchecking first started here. |
PC: No it was a tacit agreement. | LRH: Mmm. |
LRH: I see. You didn't tell him not to tell. | PC: It generalized into what have you – „What did you do to a husband?“ „What have you done to a husband?“ |
PC: No | LRH: Well, what did he fail to find out about you in October of 1950? |
LRH: You just knew he wouldn't. | PC: Well… |
PC: Yeah. I just knew he wouldn't. | LRH: That’s it. |
LRH: And your father didn't find out? | PC: Yeah. That I was uh – hmm – using, actually, Dianetics to uh – I – I – I… |
PC: No. | LRH: You got it. |
LRH: And your mother didn't ... | PC: … I get real confused what I did. |
PC: I know my father didn't. | LRH: All right. Come on. |
LRH: Your mother didn't find out? | PC: Um… |
PC: I'm not sure... | LRH: You got it. Using Dianetics… |
LRH: Mm-hm. | PC: Well actually, to establish – a beingness that couldn’t be made less of. |
PC: about my mother, whether it was Mother that patched him. Mother would have protected us ... | LRH: Mm-hm. |
LRH: Well, did your sister even know? | PC: This. |
PC: (Sigh) Well ... (pause) I don't know. I don't know. It was either Mother or my sister Agatha that patched him up. And if it was Mother, my sister didn't know. | LRH: All right. All right. What did he fail to find out? What did Jimmy fail to find out there? |
LRH: Hm? | PC: Well, that I didn’t consider myself anything |
PC: If it was Mother that patched him up, then my sister didn't know. | LRH: Ah, I see. |
LRH: Well, which is it that didn't know? | PC: That’s what I’m hung up in. I… |
PC: I don't know. Must have been my sister because I think my mother would have beat me up, and I don't remember getting beaten up by my mother. I'm just assuming now though. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: You got this figured out that way. | PC: … I totally make nothing of myself… |
PC: Yeah! | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: Yeah. | PC: … really. |
PC: It's just logical. | LRH: All right. Is that October of 1950? |
LRH: But here's a head injury - here's a head injury that remained a secret to your family. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: (pause) Hm. | LRH: All right. There we go. Hotter than a pistol. Okay. Okay, now, well, who was this an overt against? |
LRH: Is that right? | PC: Well, Jimmy. |
PC: Mm-hm. | LRH: All right. And just what did you do to Jimmy there? |
LRH: All right. | PC: Well, I learned Sci – Dianetics at that time. I got to understanding it better than he… |
PC: That s not unusual. | LRH: Yeah… |
LRH: All right. It's not unusual, but I'm just pointing out that here is ... | PC: … and using it as a – „I am smarter than you are.“ |
PC: Mm-hm. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: ... an incident of that character. What else did you do to bloody your brothers up? | PC: I do that to Charlie, too. |
PC: (pause) Well, I've got the later incident with my brother Jake when we got into a fight. | LRH: Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | PC: But I did that to Jimmy. |
PC: I didn't bloody him up though. Oh, I guess I did. I scratched him. | LRH: Okay. And what did you do there specifically? |
LRH: Oh, you guess you did it. | PC: I took the first course under Jackins and learned about Dianetics. Learned to audit. |
PC: Uh yes, I did. | LRH: All right. All right. All right. But what did you do to Jimmy there, specifically? |
LRH: Now come on. Did you or didn't you? | PC: Well, I made him take the course with me. |
PC: Yes, I did. | LRH: All right. That’s it. Go on. |
LRH: All right. When was it? | PC: oh. But just a feel that – was using, then, Dianetics to solve him. |
PC: Oh, that was way later. I was about fifteen. | LRH: To do what? |
LRH: All right, honey. And what did that consist of? | PC: To solve him. |
PC: You mean, you want all of it? (chuckles) | LRH: oh, I see. Well, now we’re back to what didn’t he find out there? |
LRH: Well ... | PC: Well, he didn’t find out that I – that I thought – that I thought he was more able than I was. I would always put out that I was – was more able… |
PC: (laughs) Well, I was supposed to fix has lunch, and I didn't. So he tried to get me to fix his lunch, and I fought back. | LRH: Yeah… |
LRH: Yeah. And what did you do? | PC: … than he was. |
PC: Well I just uh ... See, I was littler than he was. And I just fought like I wasn't. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. Okay. | PC: And I never let him know that I considered myself inferior to him. |
PC: And I - he got so mad that he forgot I was littler, and we had a fought like we were evenly matched. | LRH: All right. All right. Good enough. Good enough. Now, what did you do that he failed to find out? |
LRH: Yeah. What did you do to him? | PC: Nm. |
PC: Oh. just uh . . it was pretty dispersed, but I - I kicked and clawed and bit ... | LRH: That’s it. That’s it. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: Well, I read the first book. |
PC: in any part of the body that I could - could get ahold of ... | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: All right. Good. And what did you do? | PC: But then he found about – out about that later. |
PC: Uh ... well, mostly scratched him and bit him. | LRH: Yeah, but what did you do, specifically? Come on. What did you do specifically? You must have done something there. |
LRH: All right. | PC: Mmm. |
PC: ... kicked - yeah, I kicked him, too. | LRH: The needle isn’t falling on… |
LRH: Did you bloody him up? | PC: Reading the first book, you mean? |
PC: Don't - he got - I don't have a picture, but I assume if I - if scratched, I would have bloodied him up. Sure. | LRH: … nothing. No. I mean, the needle isn’t falling on nothing here. |
LRH: Mmm. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: I mean I ... | LRH: This needle is falling on something. And it’s doing rather steep, repetitive falls every time you think over this situation. So what did you do? You must have done something. Now, what did you do? |
LRH: Well, what do you know you've done there? | PC: That he didn’t know about. |
PC: Just that I fought tooth and toenail ... | LRH: Yeah! |
LRH: All right. | PC: That he didn’t find out about it. |
PC: ... with all the strength I could conjure up at fifteen ... | LRH: That’s right. He never found out about it that time. |
LRH: That's good. | PC: Well, see, this is why it’s difficult for me because I would do it and then it was a get-even-with? |
PC: ... with this body. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. | PC: so he – he always knew what I did, but I – well, he didn’t know it was a get – yeah, he knew it was a get-even-with, too. |
PC: Now I know. | LRH: All right. Good. Good. That’s fine. But what – what did you do? You see, you’re mostly telling me attitudes… |
LRH: All right. And who did you both keep that from? | PC: Yes, I know. |
PC: Mother. | LRH: … you’ve had, do you understand? I want to know something you did that he never found out about. That’s it. |
LRH: All right. Anybody else? | PC: Any time? You mean later than… |
PC: Dad. | LRH: I don’t care when it was. |
LRH: All right. Okay. That's all. | PC: … when? Well… |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Tell me what it was. |
LRH: Seems like seems like you didn't seem to enjoy the confidence of your parents anywhere along the line. | PC: … well, okay. I – I did stuff that he didn’t find out. Later, though. You see, I went into a promiscuity bit later, after I left him, that he didn’t find – ever find out about. |
PC: I didn't. (chuckles) | LRH: All right. All right. All right. |
LRH: You didn't, huh? | PC: But this was later than… |
PC: Oh, no. | LRH: All right. And earlier, what did you do that he didn’t find out about? I want a specific instance here. |
LRH: What did you do? Has this lifetime been a career of keeping things away from your mother? | PC: Earlier. |
PC: Mm-mm. Mostly Dad. | LRH: I don’t care when. You just give me one. |
LRH: Mostly Dad. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: A specific thing that you did – that you did, you know… |
LRH: Mother? Keeping things from Mother? | PC: Mm. |
PC: Well, yeah. There would be some type things I'd keep from Mother, and there'd be other type. | LRH: … did, actually did… |
LRH: Sex. | PC: Mm-mm. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: … with your paws and your head and your hands and you. You know? |
LRH: Sex you'd keep from Mother. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Yeah. I'd keep from Mother. | LRH: You know, that you did that he never found out about – that Jimmy never found out about. That’s it. |
LRH: That's good. | PC: I don’t have anything. I’m just… |
PC: And anything that would provoke my dad's temper, I would keep from Dad. And fighting would provoke his temper, you see? | LRH: Da-da-da-da. |
LRH: Mm-hm. All right. He'd get mad, in other words. | PC: … looking. |
PC: Oh, he'd get... Yeah. | LRH: That’s it right there. Right there. |
LRH: He'd get furious. | PC: oh? |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: That’s it. |
LRH: All right. So keeping things from Dad? That's bing, bing. | PC: It is? I’ve got an area of time, but I don’t have a doingness. |
Now, what type of thing would you keep from Dad? | LRH: Hm? |
PC: Well, I'd keep breakage... | PC: I’ve got an area of time, but not a doingness. |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: All right. It’s right in that area of time. |
PC: ... getting unto trouble with uh ... | PC: This is in Oklahoma, in 1943, when I – before I married him. |
LRH: Good. | LRH: All right. Go on. Go on. |
PC: ... the school authorities. | PC: Hm. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: You’ve got it taped. What did you – that’s it, right there. |
PC: And beating up the guy who tried to beat us up for stealing his watermelons. | PC: I did. Something I did. I had… |
LRH: Right. | LRH: Mm-hm! That’s it. You – you’re right on it. You’re right on it. |
PC: These things. | PC: Well, I had some intentions to – well, I did trap him. I gonna – you know? |
LRH: Go on. | LRH: Is that something you did? |
PC: Just if I would get into trouble ... | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. |
PC: ... I would keep it from Dad. | PC: Did he find – I don’t think he ever found out about that. |
LRH: Any trouble ... | LRH: And he never found out about it? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: I don’t think so. |
LRH: ... would be kept from Dad. | LRH: All right. And now, go over this further. What did you specifically do? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Well, I slept with him, as a trap. |
LRH: So he's the symbol of no - communication if in trouble. | LRH: All right. |
PC: (chuckles) Yeah. | PC: I actually, I used up my virginity at that point to trap him. |
LRH: Is that right? | LRH: All right. Okay. |
PC: Well, he's more than that. He wouldn't let us talk to him, actually, either. | PC: This is – this is the – the biggest overt I have on Jimmy. |
LRH: He said, no, huh? | LRH: And what’s the overt there? |
PC: He just said "Don't talk! Just talk when you 're spoken to." | PC: Just, I was a virgin and this flipped him. You see, he seduced me at that point, and I – and that hung him up. |
LRH: Oh, I see. All right. | LRH: I see. I see. All… |
PC: And we hat that one and then the other one, we don't talk if we got into trouble, because why invite more trouble? | PC: I intended to use it, you see… |
LRH: All right. How did you trap your father? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Oh! Gee! I did that with ARC. | PC: … as a trap. |
LRH: All right. How did you do that? | LRH: What did – how do you state this now? Exactly what did you do? |
PC: Just uh ... (sighs) I ... | PC: Hm. |
LRH: Go on. | LRH: Do, you know. Not thought or intended. What did you do? What did you do, specifically? |
PC: Well, I just wouldn't let him keep this game going. I moved in, got close to him. | PC: Well… |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: That’s – you’re getting there. |
PC: Got him off of this German "I am the father and you are the child, so therefore you must never speak to me unless you're spoken to." | PC: Yeah, I… |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: That’s it. |
PC: I just would speak to him. | PC: Well, I don’t know how to state it so that it makes a good One question. |
LRH: Mm. | LRH: Well, you let me make up the One question. |
PC: I would demonstrate affection. | PC: Yeah. Let’s see. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: You make – you let me audit this, huh? |
PC: And it worked. | PC: Okay. |
LRH: All right. What didn't he find out about this? | LRH: Just because you haven’t been audited lately, why, this doesn’t say you’re not being audited now. |
PC: Hmm. (sighs) Well, mostly what he didn't find out was that he didn't have a prayer with ... with this - with our family after he got off of that one that he used to control us. | PC: Okay. |
LRH: All right. And what didn't he have a prayer with, how, exactly? | LRH: All right. Let’s go now. What did you do? |
PC: Well, he didn't have a prayer with me or the rest of the family, I think. | PC: Well, the – the – the nearest I can come to it – and this sounds maudlin – but like I saved myself, you know? |
LRH: Good. Now how did you trap him, specifically and exactly? | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: Well, I don't remember exactly when it was, but I know there was the first time when I kissed him. | PC: Like, I stayed a virgin… |
LRH: I see. | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: You know? | PC: … to trap a man. |
LRH: All right. Very, very good. When was that? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Uh ... | PC: I had every intention all this life to do that. |
LRH: That's it. | LRH: All right. Okay. All right. You’re getting – you’re getting there. It’s ticking in. |
PC: Well, that was, I would should say 1938. But, actually, what I'd - happened is I stumbled onto this earlier incident of violence. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Of what? | LRH: I acknowledge you did that. |
PC: Of violence with him ... | PC: Yes. Okay. |
LRH: Yeah? | LRH: All right. I acknowledge you did that. I’m just driving it down… |
PC: which was not an answer to our question. (laughs) | PC: Mm. |
LRH: I didn't get what this earlier incident was of ... | LRH: … in time, in a specific instance, at a specific moment. |
PC: Well, I've got an incident when I was sixteen when I stopped him from beating Mother. | PC: Yeah. LRH: An act. An actual act, not an intention. I want an act. What did you do? |
LRH: Oh, I see. | PC: Mm. |
PC: And it got into a violent - violent incident rather than ... | LRH: That’s right. Now you’re rocking on it. That’s it. |
LRH: I see. | PC: Well, that isn’t very much of an act, though, you know? I mean it was… |
PC: an incident of affection. | LRH: I don’t care. What is the act? There it is. |
LRH: Oh, all right. That's perfectly all right. | PC: Well… |
PC: Mm. | LRH: That’s it. |
LRH: Nobody is worrying about this. | PC: … to use this. I’ve come out like a doingness though. It’s an intention. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: I don’t care how it comes out like. |
LRH: Now, you trapped him with a kiss. Is that right? | PC: Well, just – I – I… |
PC: Mm-hm. | LRH: You just tell me what you did and I’ll take it from there. |
LRH: All right. | PC: Okay. I spotted Jimmy in the environment, and I decided he was the man I was going to trap by sleeping with him, and then I was going to marry him. |
PC: That's - was affection there that actually trapped him. | LRH: All right. Very good. |
LRH: An affection. Did you feel the affection? | PC: Was an intention to marry him. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Good. That’s fine. And you got the tick there. And what did you do? |
LRH: All right. Very good. Now, something wrong with affection here, honey. | PC: I slept with him. |
PC: Well ... | LRH: All right. Very good. And you slept with him with what intention? |
LRH: What is this all about? | PC: To marry him. |
PC: Well, you don't demonstrate affection to a German father! | LRH: To marry him? |
LRH: I know, but what about affection in general? | PC: Mm-mm. |
PC: Well, youuuuuuu - well, actually, it's a trap. | LRH: or to trap him? |
LRH: Uh-huh. | PC: No. It just – that’s the same. |
PC: It's - that traps men. | LRH: oh, is that the same? |
LRH: Affection is a trap. | PC: That’s the same to me, yes. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: That’s the same. All right. |
LRH: Is that - that's the way it equates. | PC: Marriage is a trap, yeah. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: That's the way it equates. | PC: It’s a trap. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: What about sleeping with a man to trap him, huh? |
LRH: All right. Very good. | PC: Well, this is fine except he’s the only one I did this life. |
All right, (PC chuckles) who doesn't know about this? | LRH: All right. That’s all right. |
PC: Charlie doesn't know this. | PC: Well, the earliest one I did, I should say. |
LRH: Alright How about Jimmy? | LRH: That’s my girl. |
PC: Well, yeah, Jimmy doesn't know about this. Actually, this is what goes on with me with the students here, too. | PC: Yeah, that’s the earliest one this life. |
LRH: All right | LRH: That’s a little more honest. |
PC: I want to get close to them, but I already know it's a trap ... | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Yeah, go on. Go on. | LRH: All right. And we’ve got our What. All right. And that isn’t – nobody is doing anything accusative here. But you see, I operate very funny, Dorothy. I think it’s what people do, not what they intend to do, that makes a Prepcheck. |
PC: to be affectionate. Go on what? Who else doesn't know? | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Tell me. Go on. Who doesn't know about this? | LRH: And, of course, I know that’s novel. |
PC: Oh! | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Just get the roster out here. | LRH: I know – I know that’s a novel theory. Look-a-here now. You’ve got an incident here. Is that right? |
PC: Well, my dad didn't know it. | PC: Mm-hm. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. Now, when was that exactly? |
PC: My brothers. | PC: Uh – that was in uh… |
LRH: That-a-girl. | LRH: That’s a girl. |
PC: My ... | PC: … well, May… |
LRH: That-a-girl. | LRH: That’s a girl. |
PC: (pause) Any - I - I've got it just it's in a trap - it's a trap if you - if you have affection for a man. | PC: … of 1943. |
LRH: I see. | LRH: All right. That gives a nice little bing there. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: I see. All right. And who doesn't find out about this? | LRH: Very good. May of 1943. |
PC: (sighs) Well, none of the - none of the men I've ever known. | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Just the lot. | LRH: We’re back here in 43. Right? |
PC: Yeah! | PC: Mm-hm. |
LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. That's all I was trying to check into. | LRH: All right. And where was that specifically? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Norman, Oklahoma. |
LRH: How about the little kids that you were around? | LRH: Norman, Oklahoma. |
PC: Well, it's all right to feel affection for kids. | PC: Mm-hm. |
LRH: Well, come on. How early did this start? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Well, it started early - real early with - me with my father. But like it was all right for me to feel ... | PC: I was in the navy. |
LRH: There we are. There we are. The tick tick. Started very early with you or your father. | LRH: Hm? |
PC: With my father. | PC: I was in the nary. |
LRH: Did you - how old were you? Four, two, three, what? Four? Two? One? One? | LRH: Is that a girl? All right. |
PC: Probably. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: But did you know at that time that it was a ... | LRH: All right. Very good. Now, what should have appeared there and didn’t? |
PC: No. | PC: Hmm. I know something that shouldn’t have appeared. |
LRH: ... action? | LRH: All right. What was that? |
Well, when did you overtly use this to betray him? | PC: Well, my girlfriend. |
PC: Well that time when I was eight - eighteen. | LRH: Aha. She did appear, huh? |
LRH: All right. And what happened there exactly? Now, we got onto that a moment ago and got off of it. | PC: Hm. |
PC: Well, just I intended to get him off of this other one he had on. You know, where he's totally individuated. So I demonstrated the affection for him ... | LRH: Hey, now. Very good. Very good. And who didn’t find out about it? |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: That she – you mean about her appearance or the incident? |
PC: and then ... hmm ... like he was trapped and I was trapped, both, on this one. | LRH: Well, no, just who didn’t find out about the incident? |
LRH: Hm-hm. Is that so? | PC: oh. My mother! |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Ah, your mother didn’t. |
LRH: All right. What didn't appear there? | PC: My mother. |
PC: Hmm. (long pause) This one flipped ... I - I have trouble with it because I don't ever know whether it's what's supposed to. You know, like a thing that didn't appear there was just actually a warning or a - of things to come. | LRH: All right. That’s my girl. |
LRH: All right. All right. Very good. What things to come? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Well, like he was vulnerable then. Mother used this one on him particularly. | LRH: All right. Now, when was this? |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: It was in the evening, in May – I think May. The summer. |
PC: She would withdraw affection from him. | LRH: Mm-hm. |
LRH: All right. Very good. And who didn't find out about it? | PC: Well, you can’t tell about Oklahoma. It gets summer there fast. |
PC: Well, actually I didn't find out about it at that point. I didn't realize that's what I was doing. | LRH: All right. And just exactly where was that located? That’s it. |
LRH: All right. When did you decide this was what you were doing? | PC: Well, that was a hotel… |
PC: Well just - I didn't really connect it up until now. | LRH: Uh-huh. |
LRH: Oh, all right. Very good. Very good. | PC: … out in the outskirts of town. |
PC: That - that this is part of the thing that goes on with me. | LRH: Good. Good. All right. Bing-bing. |
LRH: All right. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: That used to bug me. | LRH: You got it. That’s bing-bing. |
LRH: All right. This seems real to you. | PC: Yeah, I yeah, I can – I know what hotel it was |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: I haven't forced any cognition's on you, have I? | PC: I liked it, the hotel. |
PC: No no. of course not. See, this - I have got a late incident. It happened here on course - is the lost incident. | LRH: All right. And what didn’t appear there? |
LRH: Yeah? Yeah. Well, there's a whole series of these incidents. | PC: Hmm. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: There it is. |
LRH: And they consist of "trapped with affection." | PC: Mmm. Well, I’m getting more what’s – what is beginning to appear there is more the misemotion. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: Mm-mm. And what didn’t appear? |
LRH: Trapped with affection. | PC: Hm. The room! I can’t find it. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: Mm-mm. All right. That’s good enough. |
LRH: All right. All right. Very good. Okay. | PC: Is there a – hazy picture. |
Now, how far back does this go? | LRH: All right. Now, who failed to find out about this incident? |
PC: Well, it doesn't go - just to trap with affection doesn't go. I just wouldn't do it. I never would do that, I don't think. (long pause) I don't remember any earlier incidents. I mean, I would try not to. | PC: Jimmy’s mother. |
LRH: Try not to trap with affection. | LRH: All right. What didn’t Jimmy suspect there? That’s it. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Well, he didn’t suspect that I was going to hold him to this one. |
LRH: And what does that do? What's the result of that? | LRH: Hm-hm. |
PC: You're lonely. | PC: Actually, what he didn’t suspect was that he would get that totally entrapped on it. Oh, I know what he didn’t expect! |
LRH: Oh, I see. So if you use affection, you trap? | LRH: What? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Well, he didn’t expect me to be a virgin, of course! |
LRH: And if you don't use affection, you don't trap? | LRH: Well, all right. Okay. |
PC: Mmm. | PC: That’s what he didn’t expect me to… |
LRH: I see. All right, honey. All right. And that's very interesting. When is the first time you really trapped a man that way? Or a boy? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Oh, wait a minute. I do have some incidents on this. Actually, I've got an incident with a priest. | PC: That’s what he didn’t expect. Yeah. |
LRH: Hm? | LRH: All right. Well, that’s a very interesting… |
PC: (laughs) With a priest ... | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: Oh, yeah. | LRH: … thing for him to find out at that moment, huh? |
PC: this life. Yeah. Father O'Sullivan. That's what happened there; it just ... | PC: Yeah! |
LRH: All right. What life was that? | LRH: so how did he take on about that? |
PC: This life. | PC: Well, he flipped. |
LRH: This life? | LRH: oh? |
PC: Yeah. Huh. | PC: He flipped |
LRH: You were a ... | LRH: He flipped? |
PC: ...was a Catholic this life you see. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Oh, yeah; All right. | LRH: And what did that mean for him? |
PC: And I was uh - oh, fifteen, sixteen, when Father O'Sullivan was our parish priest. | PC: That mean he – means – that meant he was trapped. |
LRH: All right. Good. And what happened? | LRH: Yes sir. |
PC: Well, it was just I got - just got real - close to him. | PC: Mmm. That was a dirty trick! |
LRH: Good. | LRH: All right. Very good. |
PC: Got to liking him. | PC: That was. |
LRH: Good. | LRH: All right. Very good. And when was this again? |
PC: And he - it was a real close, affectionate situation. Nothing sexual. | PC: Hmm. |
LRH: I know, but uh ... | LRH: That’s it. |
PC: It was affec - there was a lot of affection ... | PC: oh, you know, it – it was just about this time of year? Mm – early May? |
LRH: All right. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
PC: ... there for - for one - me for him and him for me. | PC: It was in the evening. |
LRH: Okay. Now, exactly what occurred. Something must have occurred. | LRH: Hm-hm. What time in the evening |
PC: Well, yeah. l was actually ... This is - this is interesting in view of the fact I said I'm stupid. I was the outstanding student in the catechism class. | PC: oh, about – I should say about twelve o’clock at night. |
LRH: Ah! Very good. | LRH: That’s it. There it is. There it is. |
PC: And got just well, just uh, by being outstanding and smart in catechism, I attracted his attention. | PC: Yeah. Because we went out first, and then came back. |
LRH: All right. Good. | LRH: Hm-hm. Hm-hm. All right. Is there any more about that? Is there any more to that? |
PC: And just ... I've got a real pull for the affection for him. | PC: Well, just – it was messy. |
LRH: Hm-hm. Go on. | LRH: How do you mean, messy? |
PC: Well, this one was pretty disastrous, because you don't really get that close to a priest. | PC: Well, I got blood all over my clothes. |
LRH: Yeah, all right. | LRH: oh, yeah. |
PC: It violates the ... | PC: This is what Betty discovered. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: Uh-huh. |
PC: (laughs) ... all that's holy in the "Catholic church," you see? | PC: And an unexpectedness on Betty. |
LRH: Right. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
PC: But that's all that happened. There wasn't any ... | PC: This – this was rather an uncomfortable situation for me. |
LRH: Well now, what was disastrous about it? (brief pause) That's it. | LRH: All right. Very good. And what failed to appear there? |
PC: Well, for one thing, l don't think he's any longer a priest. | PC: Mmm. Well, there’s something very interesting going on here. There’s Bob in the background, but somehow he’s there and not there. |
LRH: Oh, really? | LRH: Who? |
PC: Don't think so. | PC: Betty’s boyfriend. |
LRH: What did you do? | LRH: Yeah? |
PC: Well, I don't think I did ... I think I just contributed to this one. | PC: Bob? Was that his name? |
LRH: Yeah, but what happened? There's a ... | LRH: There was somebody else at the hotel with you? |
PC: Just - just that I - I got closer to a priest than a girl ... | PC: Yeah. Bob. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. |
PC: ... is supposed to get to a priest. | PC: Betty’s boyfriend. |
LRH: And then what happened? | LRH: There – there was somebody there? |
PC: Then he left town. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Why did he leave town? | LRH: oh, I see. Had they put up at the hotel? |
PC: I don't know but I do know that he was moved to an Indian mission, which is a reduction in status for a priest. | PC: Yeah. They were in another room. |
LRH: All right. Well, what occurred? What happened there? You got a - you're leaving me with blank. | LRH: oh, I see. All right. Then they knew all about this? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Well, I don’t think Bob did. |
LRH: All right. You're very bright in class, and you get next to this priest, and then he leaves town. | LRH: I see. |
PC: Well, there - actually, there wasn't anything else did happen. | PC: Unless Betty told him, which I don’t think she did. |
LRH: Well, what did you do that was an overt? | LRH: Hm-hm. |
PC: Just got that close to him. | PC: I didn’t tell him. |
LRH: And that what? | LRH: All right. He didn’t appear there. |
PC: Just to form that much of a personal relationship with him. | PC: No, he didn’t. |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: All right. Now, good enough. Now, who failed to find out about all this? |
PC: To be on that uh ... just on the same basis with him rather than as a priest - girl in the parish. | PC: Bob. |
LRH: Good. Bing-bing. Now what ... There's something there, see? | LRH: Bob did. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: oh, actually, the – what keeps popping up is the navy personnel out on the base didn’t – failed to find out. |
LRH: There's something there. There's something more there than just that. | LRH: All right. Did you go into a vast withhold from all those people? |
PC: There is? | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: What is it? | LRH: Should they have found out about this? |
PC: Well, there's - there was an incident there when uh ... | PC: Yeah. Actually, my – my senior officer should have found out about it. |
LRH: Yeah, that's what we want. What is it? | LRH: Hm-hm. All right. |
PC: I went into a game with him that you don't - you shouldn't play with a priest. Like I... got mad at him and told him I was never going to speak to him again. And then he got me to speak to him again. I was walking down the street one day and I saw him, and I just had my head ... I wasn't going to speak to him. | PC: This was a betrayal on her, actually. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: All right. How was it a betrayal on her? |
PC: And as he passed me, he put his face into my face and said, "Hello." | PC: Well, she had a solid postulate that her girls did not do these things. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: oh, I see. |
PC: And we got back into communication again. | PC: It sort of made this one stick with most of the girls. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: All right. That’s fine. That’s fine. All right. That’s very good. When did you try any of this earlier with a man and it didn’t work out? |
PC: But there really... That's about all ... | PC: Well, didn’t… |
LRH: Nothing else happened? | LRH: That’s it. |
PC: No. | PC: I get the earliest – no, this is – I think the earliest one is when I was eighteen and uh… |
LRH: Was there anything happened there? Was there anything happened with that priest? | LRH: That’s it. |
PC: Mm-mm. That's an - that's enough. | PC: … I chickened out. |
LRH: Was this kind of charged? | LRH: Aha. We got the tick-tick there. |
PC: Well, that's enough! | PC: Yeah. I chickened out on that one. |
LRH: What's enough? | LRH: And when was that? |
PC: Well, to get that close to a priest! You're not supposed to get close to a priest. Now - uh? | PC: That was in 38. |
LRH: What did you do to the man? | LRH: Hm? |
PC: I don't know. | PC: 1938. |
LRH: Would this ruin him in some way? What's the overt here? Showing affection? | LRH: 1938. |
PC: Well, it's - it's knocking him off his priest - priestliness. I mean, he was a man instead of a priest. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. All right. But what happened here, exactly? Did you set out to plan to do this? | LRH: All right. And what – is that all there is to that? |
PC: No. | PC: Well, no, because I did have this same intention there to trap him, but I couldn’t – I wouldn’t go through with it because I – he – I didn’t know what the myst – there was a mystery on Cleveland. I would hare had to have lived in Cleveland and I didn’t know what it was about, so I chickened out. |
LRH: Did you know this was bad? | LRH: All right. Okay. And what appeared there? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Hm. Blackie. My friend. |
LRH: You did know this was bad? | LRH: oh, yeah. |
PC: Mm-hm. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Well, you went ahead and did it, though. | LRH: All right. |
PC: Mm. | PC: This was an older man. |
LRH: Oh, you knew it was bad ... | LRH: Very good. Very good. In what wise did he appear? How did he appear? |
PC: Mm. | PC: Well, he interfered. |
LRH: ... and you went head and did it. | LRH: oh, he did, huh? |
PC: Well sure. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. Who didn't find out about it? | LRH: Was this a knockdown-drag-out? |
PC: Oh, well, hell, my mother didn't find out about that, or any of the church people. | PC: No. Just he raised hell. |
LRH: All right. Very good. | LRH: What did he do? |
PC: Besides that, if they'd have found out about it, they'd have said I was uh ... trying to sleep with him, which I wasn't, I don't think. | PC: And he made me sufficiently guilty so that I blew off of him. Actually, I solved the whole thing by going to Seattle. |
LRH: Hm-hm. All right. All right. Okay. And what appeared there then? | LRH: I see, I see. This is your departure from where? |
PC: Well, a man instead of a priest! | PC: From Fromberg, Montana. |
LRH: Oh, all right. All right. And who didn't find out about that? | LRH: I see. |
PC: Well, he didn't. | PC: My hometown. |
LRH: All right. Very good. Now, when was this exactly? | LRH: What town in Montana? |
PC: In '36. I was sixteen, I think. | PC: Fromberg, south of Billings. |
LRH: Over what period of time was it? How many weeks? months? days? | LRH: Yeah? |
PC: Uh ... was that - that summer when I was being prepared for confirmation. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Go on. | LRH: Attagirl. All right. Now, who failed to find out about that whole thing |
PC: Uh ... was in the summertime - was in summer school. I was being prepared for confirmation, to it was over a period of weeks. | PC: My mother. |
LRH: Over a period of weeks. | LRH: All right. That’s tick-tick, bang. Now we’re really getting there. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. Mother and Dad. |
LRH: Very good. And what didn't appear there? | LRH: Hm-hm. They didn’t find out about this? |
PC: Hm. I'm hung up on a - occurrence there, too. | PC: No. |
LRH: What is the occurrence? | LRH: Do they know about it to this day? |
PC: Well, he flipped me one time when he was testing us finally for our uh ... whether we were fit to be confirmed. And he tested all the other students on uh ... the catc - the catechism. | PC: No. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: All right. You’ve never had anything to say to them about this. |
PC: But he asked me questions out of the Bible. That was a betrayal, because I didn't know anything about the Bible. | PC: oh, no. They – they wouldn’t have dug this game at all. |
LRH: Oh, I see. All right. Good enough. And who didn't find out about it? | LRH: They wouldn’t have, huh? |
PC: What... | PC: oh, no. |
LRH: Who didn't get any answers? (LRH: and PC laugh) | LRH: All right. And what did you do? Did you tell them something else? That’s it. |
PC: He didn't. He didn't. I hit a blank. | PC: Well, yeah. I told them that I wanted to get married. This was perfectly reasonable. But I didn’t tell them that I had – well, see, the one I’ve got there is that this is the only thing I had of any value. |
LRH: All right. You hit a blank. | LRH: What? |
PC: Ah. | PC: My virginity. |
LRH: That's quite interesting. Before that, you were bright. Is that what you are saying? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: It’s the only thing I ever considered was valuable. |
LRH: And after that you were stupid. | LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: I already knew I was no good. |
LRH: All right. How do you account for this? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Why, that I was just - I was going to ... cognite (laughs) on this. I was wondering if this had any connection with ... | PC: You know? |
LRH: Well, is that correct? | LRH: Okay. All right. Now, is there any earlier incident? That’s it. |
PC: Well yeah. It - just after that I had . . | PC: Well, that’s when I was only thirteen. |
LRH: Am I rushing your cognition? | LRH: When you were thirteen. |
PC: Yeah. You are. (laughs) | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: Very good. And what did you do when you were thirteen? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Well, this one was sort of inadvertent. Some guy spotted me, and turned on a big admiration deal for me. I never could understand that one. |
LRH: Good enough. | LRH: Hm-hm. All right. What did you do there? |
PC: Cause it was - just that feeling there of stupidity. | PC: Well, I was just sitting in the park minding my own business… |
LRH: You ever spot this before? | LRH: Uh-huh. |
PC: No not really. | PC: … and he came along |
LRH: All right. | LRH: Uh-huh. |
PC: But I - there's something else there. | PC: Yeah. I did do something there. I did uh… |
LRH: Yeah. what is there? | LRH: That’s it. |
PC: Well, a feel there that I betrayed hm. | PC: … try to force – like I must be something if I attracted him, and tried to force the relationship. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: oh, all right. Very good. Okay. And when was that? |
PC: And... | PC: That was in 1933. That was in – on Labor Day, 1933. September. |
LRH: Did you? | LRH: Labor Day, 1933. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: How? | LRH: Very good. |
PC: I was supposed to be smart. I was supposed to know about the Bible. | PC: Labor Day celebration. |
LRH: Oh, I see. You were supposed to know ... | LRH: All right. And is that all there is to that? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Uh – no. I kept that one going. Tried to foster some sort of a romance out of it. I couldn’t make it, though. |
LRH: ... about the Bible. | LRH: All right. Good enough. But right there at that instant. Right there at… |
PC: Mmm. | PC: oh, that… |
LRH: All right. And what happened? | LRH: … that moment. Is that all there is to that? |
PC: I didn't. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Uh-huh. | LRH: Yeah. All right. Very good. All right. What failed to appear there? |
PC: I didn't ever... | PC: Well, sure enough, uh – the – whatever I had mocked up as a desirable male failed to appear there, because he sure wasn’t. |
LRH: And who didn't find out about it? | LRH: All right. |
PC: Well, he did - he didn't find out it soon enough to not ask me the questions. | PC: You know? |
LRH: I see. Well, when did this examination - this examination take place, in front of witnesses? | LRH: Very good. Very good. Now, who didn’t find out about this incident? |
PC: Oh, yeah. Up in front of the other students. | PC: His mother. |
LRH: Oh, I see. All right. And that was a source of what to you? | LRH: His mother? |
PC: Well, a source of failure on him, like I was supposed to ... | PC: Yes. |
TBD | LRH: oh, all right. How old was he? |
LRH: What were you trying to cover up in front of these students? | PC: Uh – fifteen. No, I guess he was only about fourteen – thirteen, fourteen, too. |
PC: (Pause) Huh? | LRH: oh, I see. |
LRH: That area must be loaded with missed withholds. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Well, I did try to cover up that he - that I was his favorite. | LRH: And she didn’t find out about it, huh? |
LRH: Yeah. All right. What else didn't they find out there? | PC: oh, no. You see – . |
PC: (pause) Well, you know, what I have a feel of here is that they failed to find out, was that I didn't consider myself smart because I knew catechism. Catechism is a cinch. | LRH: Was he upset about this? |
LRH: Mm-hm. | PC: Well, later, I introduced him to my mother, you see? And then later he had a compulsion to introduce his mother to me. This is… |
PC: I mean, there's - any knucklehead could learn about catechism. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. And they didn't find out about that? | PC: … a real funny one on it. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: That’s bing-bing. We’re getting somewhere now. |
LRH: All right. Very good. Now, did you to anything to this priest? | PC: Yeah. She – she disapproved, you see? |
PC: Well I sure let him down that day. | LRH: Did she tell you she disapproved? |
LRH: All right. Very good. This made him feel foolish? | PC: No. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Did you tell her? |
LRH: Hm-hm. Did he look confused? | PC: No. |
PC: Mm-hm. | LRH: All right. Very good. Now, is there anything earlier than this? |
LRH: All right. So what did you do there? | PC: Good heavens, no! |
PC: Mm. I was noticing something else there, too. | LRH: Well, was there anything earlier than this? |
LRH: What? | PC: No. |
PC: Well, he expected ... this has happened a lot in my life. He expected me to be smarter than I was. I didn't come through, you know? | LRH: I don’t get much of a rack-around here on it. Is there anything earlier here about trying to sleep with a man to trap him? |
LRH: Mm-hm. | PC: Hm-mm. |
PC: I've got an incident like that on you. | LRH: Well, now, we just had that go counter to what you just said. |
LRH: Yeah, yeah. All right. | PC: Well, I’m looking at some… |
PC: In '55. | LRH: Come on. Come on. What could there have been earlier? |
LRH: All right. | PC: Well, there was some sex play with my brothers, but that wasn’t wanting to sleep with them to marry them. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: oh, all right. All right. But how about trapping them? Would this trap them in some way? |
LRH: Okay. And your brightness failed to appear, is that right? | PC: oh, well, yeah. That – that – there was some wanting to be close to my brothers. Actually, this is interesting. That’s – that’s that „I want to be close to a man.“ |
PC: Yeah! It sure did, man! | LRH: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. Very good. | PC: And I did want to be… |
PC: That's - that's right. It ... | LRH: All right. |
LRH: Yeah. | PC: … close to my brothers. |
PC: Let me down boy. It didn't appear. | LRH: All right. Very good. And when did this sexual activity take place? |
LRH: (chuckles) All right. Very good. And who hasn't found out - who's been in the dark about this? | PC: Well, it’s my brother Eddie. |
PC: You. | LRH: Hm-hm. |
LRH: All right. | PC: That’s the incident there with uh – it – it was just straight together, his masturbation – me letting him… |
PC: It's failing to appear here, too, you know - (laughs) my brightness. Yeah. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. Okay. All right. Very good. All right, then, what's the missed withhold? | PC: … do it. |
PC: I ain't as bright as people think I am, is actually the missed withhold. | LRH: Good enough. And now, when was this? |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: Uh – oh, dear. I got to guess on this one. About 1928-9. |
PC: I'm not. | LRH: All right. Good enough. |
LRH: And well, what is that the thing that everybody misses on you? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: Good enough. Is that all there is to that? |
LRH: Hm-hm. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Mother and all. | LRH: All right. And what appeared there? |
LRH: Everybody misses this. | PC: Well, this – the;.. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: That’s it. |
LRH: One and all. | PC: Yeah, it was too much misemotion. I mean, I – I – I couldn’t confront – easily confront his emotion on this one. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: There we go. |
LRH: All right. Let's go back to this incident in the cornfield. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Okay. | LRH: We’re right there. Right there now. |
LRH: Is that a piece of it? | PC: Yeah, this is… |
PC: Uh. | LRH: You couldn’t confront his emotion. |
LRH: Is that part of the same picture? | PC: Mm. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Hm-hm. Emotion appeared there. |
LRH: Yeah? Well, how is it part of the same picture? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Well, my brightness didn't appear there, because if it had have, I would have known that Mother - this was not one of Mothers acceptability's. She - that she - just, sex was something she just couldn't confront. | LRH: Mmm. Mmm. |
LRH: All right. | PC: It’s actually sexual sensation on his part. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Mmm. And you weren’t able to confront that. |
LRH: All right. Okay. Now, is there any earlier incident when somebody should have known this? | PC: Uh-uh. |
PC: (pause) No. That I - not that I remember. | LRH: Okay. |
LRH: All right. I don't get anything clicking on the meter. | PC: Interesting |
PC: Oh, good. (sighs) | LRH: All right. Very good. Now, who failed to find out about that? |
LRH: All right. Now, there seems to be, though, a whole chain of incidents here. | PC: My mother. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: Right. All right. There it is. Bing-bing. Very good. |
LRH: Something on this order. | PC: My mother. Oh, wow! |
PC: Yeah. There is. | LRH: All right. Fine. How did this trap your brother? There it is. |
LRH: Just describe this circumstance to me here. Just what we've been finding out and plumbing into here, and so forth. | PC: Well, was – there was that emotional tie there. Something in – we had experienced something in common. Um – this actually is a – huh. Just the misemotion is what’s the trap. Sort of a goopy misemotion that… |
PC: Well what I've got straight is that any darn fool can learn anything that they have - you know, that's easy to learn. | LRH: All right. |
LRH: Yeah. | PC: … couldn’t – couldn’t ever have just as a clean-cut type relationship. There was always that withhold there – on his part. It’s actually still there. |
PC: But uh, if it's hard, I'm not bright. I can't learn anything hard. | LRH: What? On his part? |
LRH: All right. Good. Click-click. There it is. | PC: Yeah. It’s still there. |
PC: Yeah. Sure, I mean, Scientology auditing is hard. | LRH: To this day? |
LRH: All right. | PC: Uh-huh. |
PC: Like, I can sit town and get a preclear to talk to me. | LRH: To this day, he’s still afraid people will find out about this? |
LRH: All right. | PC: Hm-hm. |
PC: But I can't do a heck of a lot with Class III stuff. | LRH: Is that so? |
LRH: All right. | PC: Actually, he’s afraid I’m going to mention it. One of these days I am. I’m going to pull that withhold off of him. |
PC: You know? | LRH: All right. Very good. |
LRH: Click-click. | PC: I think that would help. |
PC: (sniffs) Mmm. | LRH: Okay. All right. Now, is there any earlier incident here? There’s a little slowdown. |
LRH: Hm-hm. Well, how does this all add up? | PC: Well, this is the picture that I don’t have any – any recall on. Just a stuck visio. |
PC: (sighs; pause) Well, it adds up to "I am not acceptable to people as soon as they find out I'm not bright." That's how it adds up. | LRH: Picture of what? |
LRH: Now, what proved this to you when you were four or six or something like that? What... | PC: of running to Mother and telling her about a sexual experience with my brother Jake. But this one was… |
PC: Well, because Mother told me I was no - not acceptable to her. | LRH: Writing to your mother? |
LRH: When did she say this? | PC: Running to my mother. |
PC: When I was four. | LRH: Running to her? Oh, running to her? |
LRH: Hm hm. What did you do? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: I ... | LRH: And telling her about a sexual experience with your brother Jake. |
LRH: What had you done? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: You mean because she said that? | LRH: When was that? |
LRH: Mmm. | PC: Well, I’m sure I was only four years old, but I don’t know why this comes out then in the place where I was – didn’t live until I was six. |
PC: Well, I had communicated to her about an experience that I thought she - you know, that ...[gap in recording] | LRH: Well, that’s good. |
LRH: Is there another sexual incident when you were - that. Bing, bang. What's that? | PC: I mean, I’ve got some confusion in it. |
PC: Well, did - I've always had a - a horror that one day I was going to get something unoccluded and find that my father had sexually ... | LRH: All right. What is this? An overt act on Jake? |
LRH: All right. | PC: Yeah. It’s actually an overt act on Mother, too. |
PC: But I uh ... I have no recall on this. | LRH: Uh-huh. Both of them? |
LRH: All right. Very good. We got the same tick-tick on your father here a while ago. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: Both of them. |
LRH: Now, what is this? Did something happen with your father? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Mm. | LRH: All right. Was it true? |
LRH: Was there some sexual incident with your father? | PC: Yeah, it was true. |
PC: No, except that he was capable of it. | LRH: What was true? |
LRH: Bing. Bang. Is there a sexual incident with your father? | PC: Well, the experience, uh – well, no, I shouldn’t say that because I don’t remember the experience. I only remember running to my mother telling her that Jake had uh – uh – taught me all about uh – well, I – I said, „Mom – Mother, Mother, Jake told me all about fucking,” you see? |
PC: Before? No | LRH: Mm-mm. |
LRH: Well, at any time. | PC: And my mother almost dropped dead! |
PC: No. The only thing that I have on my father is that one time when I was taking a bath I didn't pull the curtains, and he uh ... watched me through the windows when I was naked. | LRH: Mm-mm. All right. Very good. Now, what didn’t appear there? |
LRH: All right. | PC: Well, what the hell ever happened there? |
PC: That's all he did. | LRH: All right. Very good. |
LRH: When was that? | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Oh, I was eighteen - nine - seventeen or eighteen then - by then. | LRH: Well, who hasn’t found out about this? |
LRH: All right. All right. Good. | PC: My dad never found out. My other brother – my other brothers and sisters didn’t find out. |
PC: And then, of course, the other thing I have is I've always been afraid of - my father was going to sexually molest me, ever since I was a child I was afraid ... | LRH: They didn’t find out. |
LRH: Thought what? | PC: No. |
PC: Huh? | LRH: Your father didn’t find out. |
LRH: Ever since you were what? | PC: No. |
PC: A child. | LRH: All right. How about Jake? |
LRH: Yeah. You always were afraid of that. | PC: Yeah, well, he found out about something because Mother beat him up. |
PC: Yeah. | LRH: oh, I see. was he punished? |
LRH: Well, who told you this. | PC: Yeah, he was punished. |
PC: Well, Mother told me. | LRH: All right. Now, when was this? |
LRH: What did she tell you? | PC: Hmm. Well, boy, sure seems like 1924. |
PC: Well, she told me that he wasn't uh ... safe to be around. Girls weren't safe to be around hm. | LRH: All right. Very good. 1924. |
LRH: Oh, I see. And who didn't find out about her telling you? | PC: Mm-mm. |
PC: Dad. | LRH: What time of the year? |
LRH: All right. Who else didn't find out about it? Anybody else? | PC: Well, it co – . See, that’s where I get confused, because it was in the cornfield. And I was six years old in that place, but the corn was – actually it was high, so it must have been in the middle of summer. |
PC: I doubt it. She used to scream this one to the high housetops whenever she was um ... | LRH: Okay. Very good. And is that all there is to that? |
LRH: And what did she used to scream to the high housetop? | PC: Mmm. |
PC: That he was a monster and a beast and all this type of thing. I ... | LRH: Mm? |
LRH: Is that so? | PC: Mm. |
PC: Mm. | LRH: What else is there to that? There must be something else to it. |
LRH: All right. | PC: Well, hmm. Bunch of confusion, like uh – it seems like it’s the same incident where I was sitting in the hallway or in the side porch with this – Mother had told me that – well, she – it was more of an attitude of I was totally unacceptable to her. And just sitting in the hall there thinking, you know, things will never be the same again. But I’m not sure it’s the same incident. |
PC: My mother never did uh ... uh ... | LRH: All right. |
LRH: All right. Did anything of this character ever happen? | PC: It just seems like it. |
PC: Did - with Dad, you mean? | LRH: Very good. Very good. And what appeared there? All right. What didn’t appear there? That’s it. |
LRH: Hm-mm. | PC: Well, Mother didn’t. I have a just a real funny feeling there of being all alone. |
PC: Well, not that I know of. I've heard of incidences where he did. My mother... | LRH: Mm-mm. |
Actually, I'm sure it was true, but I didn't know about it until later. | PC: That somebody else should have been there and wasn’t. |
LRH: What was true? | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: Well, that he had molested my uh ... aunt when she was nine. | PC: I don’t know. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. Now, who hasn’t found out about that four-year-old incident? |
PC: But uh this was way before my time. | PC: Hm. Well, I sure haven’t found out parts of it. |
LRH: Mmm. | LRH: All right. All right. Anybody else hasn’t found out about it? |
PC: And I didn't find out about that till I was sixteen. | PC: Mm. Well, Mother didn’t find out other parts of it. |
LRH: All right. Is any of this an overt against your father? | LRH: All right. |
PC: (sighs) Well, now it is because I have a better understanding what was going on with him. Now, let's see, was it at the time? It seems like it was, some feel there but not any... | PC: The one that Mother didn’t find out, actually, was I don’t think she realized what – how – I Q-and-Aed with this. I mean, I just straight decided I was no good… |
LRH: Mm, all right. Well, what's this four year old incident we're looking for? | LRH: Mm-mm. |
PC: Umm. | PC: … on her consideration that I wasn’t. |
LRH: Tick-tick. What is it? Tick-tick what is it? Come on. There it is. | LRH: All right. Now, what are we talking about here that she considered you were no good? When did this enter into the situation? |
PC: Yeah. Well, this one's been plaguing me ever since '50, and I don't know what it is. | PC: Well, it was uh – later in that incident – I think. I don’t – it looks like… |
LRH: Oh, you've had something plaguing you since '50. | LRH: Did she tell you you were no good, or what? |
PC: Yeah. This turns up quite often. | PC: Well, she – yeah. Just… |
LRH: What? | LRH: What did she say? |
PC: Just that there - I get four and six messed up. | PC: Well, she gasped like this was the most horrible thing that anybody could ever do. |
LRH: Is that the only thing about it that plagues you? | LRH: Hm-hm. All right. |
PC: No it just uh ... I feel like something did happen, but I don't know what it is. | PC: I mean, it was the attitude… |
LRH: All right. All right. Very good. All right. Now, just think about this for a moment. | LRH: What did she say? |
What happened to you when you were four? That's it. | PC: … and the misemo – . Well, I think she appealed to God at that point that this happened, this horrible act had happened. I don’t remember what she said. She was talking in German anyhow. I wouldn’t remember German. |
PC: Well, what I thought of is I moved from North Dakota to Park City, but that - that happened to me, but ... | LRH: All right. What had you just done there? |
LRH: Mm-mm. | PC: Well, I told her that I was – that Jake and I had – I don’t even remember what we – what – what we did. I do remember telling her that… |
PC: ... that doesn't seem very significant. | LRH: Yeah, but what did you tell her? That’s what’s important. |
LRH: All right. What did you do? What did you do when you were four? That's it Tickety-tick. | PC: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I told her that Jake and I were fucking. |
PC: Now I have a stuck picture of the granary - when I was sitting in the granary. | LRH: All right. That’s what you told her. |
LRH: Granary. | PC: Yeah. |
PC: Mm. But I don't know what I did. | LRH: Very good. Very good. When was this? |
LRH: What granary? | PC: I don’t know, 24 or 26. 1924 or 26. I can’t decide on this one. |
PC: Uh - this I think, is in Park City. I think | LRH: Well, all right. |
LRH: All right. Well, who hasn't found out about it? | PC: It must have been in 1926, because we were living in Fromberg. But then everything that happened to me I put into my barnyard anyway, so this could be another thing I just put into my barnyard. |
PC: Most auditors | LRH: Into your barnyard? |
LRH: All right. Who else hasn't found out about it? - | PC: I drag all my pictures into my barnyard. It’s the only safe place I had in my childhood. |
PC: Well, Mother did ... I don't think Mother found out about it. | LRH: oh, I see. |
LRH: All right. Who else hasn't fount out about this four-year-old incident? | PC: so every picture I – every time I get audited I drag all the pictures from all over the place and I’d go into the barnyard to look at them, while I was in the auditing chair. |
PC: (sighs) Well, I haven't found out about it. | LRH: oh, yeah. |
LRH: All right. Very good. How long haven't you found out about it? | PC: This… |
PC: Sheesh, ever since 1950, when it got dredged up somehow in engram running. | LRH: Now, where – where did this incident with Jake happen? |
LRH: 1950. | PC: Well, it was in the cornfield… |
PC: Mmm. | LRH: That’s it. |
LRH: Very good. Now, who missed that - withhold in 1950? | PC: …so that – that had to be the farm. |
PC: Mildred. | LRH: Well, what did you do? |
LRH: Hm? | PC: I don’t know. |
PC: Mildred. My first - one of my first auditors. | LRH: Nothing? Something? Anything? |
LRH: All right. And what did she miss? Tick-tick. | PC: Well, I’m sure it was something, yeah. |
PC: Hm. Just missed that I feel there is something there and I don't know what it is. | LRH: Well, was it nothing? Something? Had you done anything? Or is this just an outright lie on Jake? |
LRH: All right. Did you tell her there was something there? | PC: No. |
PC: Well, it was more like she was making - you know, having me go earlier and earlier, and I would - I bumped into it. | LRH: Did it get him in trouble? |
LRH: And what did you bump into? | PC: Yeah. It did get him in trouble. |
PC: Just uh ... uh ... more of a - an impression that something happened. | LRH: All right. Who wouldn’t want you to find out about it? |
LRH: What's the impression? What do you mean, impression? | PC: Who wouldn’t want me to find… |
PC: Four. All I get is - just a picture flashes that I'm on this granary - I was sitting in the grainary and I'm sure I had something that I had stolen, but I don't know what it is. | LRH: Yes. |
And I'm sure it was something that belonged to the neighbor gal, and I don't - I - I'm sure I was hiding. | PC: … me to find out about it. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: Ah, that’s an interesting thought, isn’t it? |
PC: But that's all I can get on it. | PC: Well, Mother wouldn’t want me to find out about it, I would think. |
LRH: All right. Is that what you bumped into when you were in 1950? | LRH: That’s it. All right. Mother wouldn’t want you to find out about it. |
PC: Uh . . the impression - it didn't really ... | PC: No. |
LRH: Oh, you know more about it now than ... | LRH: Would Jake want you to find out about something? |
PC: Yeah | PC: No. |
LRH: ... you did in '50. | LRH: All right. Is there a big agreement there you shouldn’t find out about this? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Well, an agreement there that something like that would be better forgotten, which would be something we would have had in – in our childhood. |
LRH: All right. Has this sort of haunted you, this little four-year-old period here? | LRH: Everybody would agree that that… |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: All right. Well, who's missed it as a withhold? | LRH: … should better be forgotten. |
PC: Well Mildred missed it. | PC: It should – should be forgotten. Sure. |
LRH: Who else? | LRH: When did you all decide to forget it and be friends? |
PC: Paul. | PC: Uh… |
LRH: Good. Who else? | LRH: That’s it. |
PC: Actually, Donna is the one that uh ... dredged it up. I got more on it with her than any other auditor. | PC: Hm. Well, just sort of oozed into forgetfulness there. |
LRH: Oh, people have been looking for this? | LRH: All right. Very good. But there was an agreement there. |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: I see. Good. And who's missed it? | LRH: All right. Very good. When was that? That’s it. |
PC: Um ... Juanita. | PC: 1926. |
LRH: Good. Who else has missed it? | LRH: Very good. And what exactly happened there? Exactly what happened? |
PC: (sighs; pause) Hm. Uh, I was looking at the '55 auditors. Hazel Hart. | PC: Well, I get an impression only, now. |
LRH: All right. Good. Who else has missed it? | LRH: oh, you can tell me what happened. Don’t sit there reading your pictures. Tell me what happened. |
PC: Actually, Dick missed it here on uh... course. | PC: All right. Actually, he did try to put his penis in me. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: All right. Very good. Was this with your agreement? |
PC: Yeah. He was ... | PC: Mm-mm. |
LRH: Good. Good. | LRH: or your connivance? |
PC: ... poking around in that area. | PC: Well, it was oh – actually, it was – this was all right to do. That’s what I was… |
LRH: All right. Who else has missed it. | LRH: All right. That’s – that’s fine. |
PC: That's about all. The one I'm looking at here is just a long - the - all these auditors poking around trying to uncover this one and never being able to ... | PC: Yeah. That’s what I was trying to communicate to Mother. |
LRH: Hm-hm. | LRH: It was your idea? |
PC: ... get it. | PC: No. I had learned a new experience. |
LRH: Did you think there was anything there originally? | LRH: oh, all right. Very, very good. Excellent. |
PC: Uh . . not uh ... No, not really. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: You didn't think there was anything ... | LRH: And what appeared there? |
PC: No | PC: Well, my mother’s shock, because, you see, I wanted to communicate to her that I had discovered something new. |
LRH: ... there originally. | LRH: oh, I see. All right. Very good. Excellent. |
PC: Yeah. It's just that uh ... | PC: I didn’t expect my mother to be shocked. I thought she would be pleased because I had found out something new. |
LRH: Just a ... | LRH: All right. Very good. And who should have found out about this in later years? |
PC: ... there should be something when I - that I should have a time track when I'm four years old, shouldn't I? (laughs) | PC: Dad. |
LRH: I see. All right. All right. Is it because the time track is missing there? | LRH: All right. Who else should have found out about it in later years? |
PC: That's partially it. The other one is that I have got the confusion there. I've always had the six-year-old picture ... | PC: Well, Jake should have found out about it, that I was this knuckleheaded. |
LRH: Mmm. | LRH: All right. |
PC: ... and I always got it confused: it's now, it's six; it's four, it's six ... | PC: I didn’t know that this was something should be kept secret. |
LRH: Mm-hm. And u this what they usually take off on? | LRH: Very good. And who else should have found out about it? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Uh – well, my whole family should have found out that I was knuckleheaded. |
LRH: And so forth. And you usually bring this up. | LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. Okay. Now, when was this incident, exactly? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Huh. Well, it was in the summer of 1926. Actually, this one does feel more in place now, in 26. |
LRH: Is that right? | LRH: Very good. |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Mm-hm. |
LRH: Now, how do you always bring this up? | LRH: All right, fine. |
PC: (sighs) Because they ask me questions on it, and I never know what to do with it. I mean you - how am I supposed to answer up to something I don't remember? | PC: It was in the summer of 1926. |
LRH: All right. But how come this turns up in the first place? | LRH: Excellent. Excellent. And is that all there is to that incident now? |
PC: Because my attention just goes that way. I go bloomp on this picture, and then I go four, six. There must some - been something happened at four. | PC: Mm. Yeah. |
LRH: Mm-hm. | LRH: All right. Very good. And what shouldn’t have appeared in that whole incident? |
PC: I go figuring on it. | PC: My mother. |
LRH: Hm-mm. Well, who basically is missing this withhold? | LRH: All right. Excellent. Excellent. And who didn’t find out about it? |
PC: (sighs) Well, I am, basically. | PC: Schoolteachers. Townspeople. |
LRH: All right. | LRH: oh, very good. Excellent. Anybody else? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: You know, the one that’s the real shouldn’t-have-found-out is my stupidity there. Mmm, my brothers and sisters, particularly, shouldn’t – should have found out about this one. Well, I don’t know. They still shouldn’t know about this. |
LRH: All right. Fine. Is there anything there that's withheld? | LRH: Yeah. |
PC: Just ... | PC: This stupidity. |
LRH: Is there anything happened when you were four? | LRH: Should they have found out about your stupidity? |
PC: I don't know. You see, th-there must - have been something happened, but I don't know. | PC: Well, it still isn’t all right with me for them to find it out. |
LRH: Well, good. Well, why do you want auditors to look there? | LRH: All right. Okay. Now, what we’re going to do here – how do you feel about this now? |
PC: I don't, particularly. | PC: Mm, better. |
LRH: Look. Look-a-here. We're going over this ground. | LRH: You feel a bit better? |
PC: Mmm. | PC: Mm-hm. |
LRH: How come we're sitting there? | LRH: A lot better? |
PC: Yeah. | PC: Yeah, it’s… |
LRH: That's fascinating ... | LRH: You got something a little more in place? |
PC: Yeah! | PC: Yeah, and it doesn’t seem as hung-up. |
LRH: ... isn't it? (pause) now, is there something on either side of this that you want an auditor to avoid? I'm not asking you a dirty question. | LRH: All right. Good enough. We’re not – we’re not through worrying this one – that one, probably, but we’re going to look some more on this line. |
PC: Mm, I don 't mind you asking. | PC: oh, that’s fine. |
LRH: But is there something there you'd like to be - something there that you want an avoidance on? There something there you're trying to avoid? Is there something there you're trying to get auditors to avoid? | LRH: All right. Now, would it be all right with you if we took a very brief break? |
PC: No. | PC: That would be wonderful. |
LRH: Nope. That's right. This is clean. | LRH: Ten-minute break? |
PC: Hm-mm. | PC: Mm. |
LRH: See, I've got to ask these questions to straighten it out. | LRH: Would that be all right with you? |
PC: Hm-mm. | PC: Yes. |
LRH: All right. Did anything happen when you were four? I don't find anything on - the meter. | LRH: And is it all right with you if I just asked one more question here? Now, have I missed a withhold on you? Yeah, that’s all right. Latent. |
PC: (exhales) Well, that's fine with me. | PC: Mm, yeah. You didn’t. |
LRH: Well, who insisted there was something at four? I just asked you if there was something at four. I haven't insisted there's anything there. But who, amongst your auditors, insisted there was something there? | LRH: Very good. Very good. There was a latent… |
PC: (sighs; pause) Well... (pause) Uh ... I don 't know what they ... | PC: Mmm. |
LRH: There is something right there. | LRH: … but that’s all right. I’ll check it again. |
PC: Yeah, well, I'm not sure that they insisted; just like it come up and they would poke. | PC: Okay. |
LRH: They'd what? | LRH: Have I missed a withhold on you? There’s a slight slowdown. |
PC: They'd poke on - in that area to see if we could open up the track. | PC: Well, just I didn’t realize it’d be this comfortable… |
LRH: Yeah. | LRH: oh, you didn’t? |
PC: You know? Uh I don't think they insisted on it, however: Like I would do the same thing I did tonight: it's six, it's four, it's six, it's four. | PC: … being audited by you. |
LRH: Well what do you do? Cut your throat on the subject of sex when you were about four - six by telling on your brother? Is there some regret involved in this? | LRH: oh, all right. |
PC: Well, sure. | PC: Yeah. |
LRH: Yeah, what's the regret? | LRH: All right. Thank you very much. Let me check that once more. Have I missed a withhold on you? No, that’s fine. |
PC: (pause) Well ... (long pause; sighs) Actually: the most regret I have on this is Mother. | PC: Mm. |
Because, I mean, l didn't uh... cut my brothers throat on this one. I mean, Mother beat him up, but then that isn't particularly disastrous. You know? | LRH: Very good. We got that. And is there anything you care to ask before I give you end of session for this break? |
LRH: Well, what's disastrous there? | PC: No. |
PC: That my mother had uh well, had her ideas of a how a little girl should behave, shook. | LRH: All right. Here it is. End of session. |
LRH: Mmm. | PC: Okay. Thank you. |
PC: I hadn't intended that. | LRH: You bet. |
LRH: Mmm. Do something to your mother? | |
PC: Well sure I just I did - I indulged in sex play that was totally something she didn't want me to do Yeah, she's got something like "you're ruined if you do." You know? | |
LRH: Mm-mm. | |
PC: 'Course, I have too. | |
LRH: Mm-mm. | |
PC: Yeah. And like I-I didn't ever intend for her to get this one shook up. | |
LRH: Get what? | |
PC: Get this idea of hers shook up | |
LRH: Mm-mm. Well did she talk to you about the commercial value of all this? | |
PC: That was later. | |
LRH: Oh, yeah. But at that time there was something about this. | |
PC: Yeah I didn't actually know she was - was sitting that strongly on... on it. | |
LRH: I see. All right. Now, let's skip what you don't know. Let's take a look at what you know in that period. (PC sighs) Now, that do you know in that period? | |
PC: What period? | |
LRH: Anytime. Four, six, somewhere around in that lifetime area, in that life area. | |
PC: Well, I know that incident. | |
LRH: All right. | |
PC: l know the incident when I was four when I hit my - that little girl. I was four then. | |
LRH: When you were four ... | |
PC: Hm. | |
LRH: ... you were what? | |
PC: I hit that little girl. I know about that. | |
LRH: You know about that. | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: All right. Is that an overt? | |
PC: Well, sure. | |
LRH: All right. How long have you known about that? | |
PC: Well I've always known that one. | |
LRH: All right. Good And what other incident do you know in four-six period? | |
PC: (pause) Oh, wait a minute. I-I-I know why auditors would go off on this one, is because I still have that uh ... one there that is the uh-... divided thing where I was sitting in the hall. I don't - I can't account for that. | |
LRH: What hall? | |
PC: Yeah, it's a side porch. | |
LRH: Yeah, what about the side porch? You mean you got - had a - what about this picture? You mean you've got a picture there ... | |
PC: Mm. | |
LRH: ... and auditors keep hitting it? | |
PC: Yeah. It turns - it uh, it just automatically comes up when I think about that uh ... | |
LRH: I see. At four you get a picture of the side porch. | |
PC: Yeah. And so on ... | |
LRH: Six and four. | |
PC: Mmm. | |
LRH: Ohhh. Is it... | |
PC: Like... | |
LRH: ... is it this lifetime? | |
PC: Hm ? | |
LRH: Is the picture anything to do with this lifetime? | |
PC: I can't be sure about that. | |
LRH: Mm-mm. So you got a picture. | |
PC: Mmm. | |
LRH: Interesting. How many other pictures you got? (pause) Bang! What's that? | |
PC: Well, I bumped into that one where I saw that man sitting on the - in the rocking chair He was a monster. | |
LRH: Hm? | |
PC: (laughs) Oh, I saw this monster sitting in the rocking chair, and ... But this actually is an actual ... I don't know whether I slapped a picture over it or there was actually a man - man sitting there. But he was there and I called my sister and she came out, and he wasn't. He'd disappeared out of the chair. | |
LRH: Yeah... | |
PC: I got that picture. | |
LRH: All right. All right. Okay. All right. Now, what don't we know about this period? | |
PC: (sighs) Mmmmmmmm. | |
LRH: What is unknown about this period? | |
PC: Well, everything - my whole chronological events of my life in that period is unknown to me. | |
LRH: All right. Very good. And who been missing all these? | |
PC: Oh, well, all the auditors missed that. | |
LRH: Well, good. What's the withholds in this area? What are the real withholds in this area? | |
PC: (Pause) Well, my whole ... my life is a withhold there. What did I do? What was I like? You know? | |
LRH: Hmm. All right. And who's been missing it? | |
PC: Mostly me. | |
LRH: All right. | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: Very good. Very good. And any other data you'd like to tell me about concerning that right now? All right. We got a little halt - little click, little click. What's that? What are you going over? Bing. Bing. What are you going over there? | |
PC: Well mostly, I've - I'm ... come into present time and noticing it was getting late is all. | |
LRH: All right. Good. Is that what you're noticing? | |
PC: Hmm.. | |
LRH: All right. Very good. Now, what about sleeping with a man to trap him? | |
PC: Jimmy is the only one I'd - or it would have been Charlie. | |
LRH: Hm? | |
PC: Yeah, Jimmy and Charlie. No, this isn't true. I had some promiscuity ... | |
LRH: Hm? | |
PC: I had some promiscuity occurred in between Jimmy and Charlie. But I wasn't intending to entrap. | |
LRH: All right. Very good. All right. Just let me ask you that question now. | |
PC: Okay. | |
LRH: All right. Let's find out what this is - what the reaction we get on this. | |
PC: Hmm. | |
LRH: All right. What about sleeping with a man to trap him? Just seems peculiarly uncharged now. | |
PC: Mmm. This feels uncharged. | |
LRH: Well, do you suddenly feel better about it? | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: Did you feel worse about it than you do feel? | |
PC: Well, I did during the break - felt worse - worse ... | |
LRH: Mm-hm. | |
PC: than I did. Uh ... I feel all right about it now. | |
LRH: Mm-mm. Do you think anything has occurred here, then? | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: What? | |
PC: Well I feel more uh-uh ... well, actually, less frantic about uh ... the whole thing, and notice a lot of connections between my present behavior and uh ... past stuff. | |
LRH: Hm, hm. | |
PC: You know? | |
LRH: Hmm. | |
PC: Like it's what's going on with me with this chronic PTP is just the story of my life. | |
LRH: All right, honey. | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: All right. Nothing too new in this then. | |
PC: Mmm. | |
LRH: All right, honey. Now, we got a null on this "What" question. | |
PC: Oh. Good-o. | |
LRH: And so if it's all right with you, why, I'd like to end that Prepcheckng and bring us down the line. | |
PC: Mm. | |
LRH: Okay? | |
PC: That's fine. Fine. | |
LRH: All right? All right? Okay. Anything you care to say or ask before I end that Prepchecking? | |
PC: No just ... | |
LRH: All right. | |
PC: ... thank you. | |
LRH: All right. All right. Here we go. Okay. Let's walk into these end rudiments, huh? | |
PC: Okay. | |
LRH: All right. Have you told me any half-truth? Have you told me any half-truth? Untruth? - All right. Come up to present time. | |
PC: Mm. Okay. | |
LRH: All right. (PC sighs) See if we get this thing a little bit better here. | |
PC: Mm. | |
LRH: Have you told me any half-truth? Thank you. Untruth? | |
PC: Mm. | |
LRH: All right. Said something only to impress me? Oh, what have you said only to impress me? | |
PC: Well, I always get the impression when I'm sitting here talking that I am impressing. | |
LRH: All right. | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: All right. You doing it on purpose? | |
PC: No. | |
LRH: All right. Have you done it on purpose just for me? | |
PC: No. | |
LRH: All right. All right. have you said something only to impress me? | |
PC: No. | |
LRH: All right. Not anything particularly? | |
PC: Mm-mm. | |
LRH: All right. Let me clear that again. | |
PC: Mm. | |
LRH: Have you said something only to impress me? That's all right. Have you tried to damage anyone in this session? (short pause) Tried to damage anyone in this ... Boy, you sure stop on damage, don't you? | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: The damage kid, huh? | |
PC: Yeah. (LRH: and PC chuckle) | |
LRH: All right. Okay. Now listen to me: Have you tried to damage anyone in this session? | |
PC: No. | |
LRH: That's so right. All right. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? | |
PC: No. | |
LRH: All right. That's in this session? | |
PC: Mmm. | |
LRH: All right. In this session have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? | |
PC: No. | |
LRH: All right. The subject of E-Meter seems a little rough with you here. | |
PC: Yeah, I got a lot of uh ... | |
LRH: What's the matter? | |
PC: ... you, never can tell what the meter is reading on. You know? | |
LRH: Don't auditors tell you? | |
PC: Oh Well, yeah, they tell me, but they say "Well, I - have I missed a withhold and - and they say - I say, they say "Well, it's clicking" and then I-it's unreal to me that uh ... I... I... because I don't feel like I've failed to tell an auditor something. Then I dig, and it does clean up. | |
LRH: Mmm. Mmm. What do you answer them for? | |
PC: What do you mean? | |
LRH: Just what do you answer them for? | |
PC: Well, they say "Have I missed a withhold on you?" and I say no. | |
LRH: They actually missed at talking to the meter. | |
PC: Is that what goes on? | |
LRH: Well, sure. And you say - they say "Have I missed a withhold on you?" you see, and you say no. And they say "Oh, yes, you have" and so forth. - What are you talking for? | |
PC: Ha! | |
LRH: They're just rudiments. | |
PC: Oh! | |
LRH: You don't have to say anything. | |
PC: Well then I feel like if I don't do that, then I end up with "Have you ..." It will read when it says "Have you failed to answer a question or a command?" (laughing) | |
LRH: All right. That's going to be and be caught three ways from the middle. | |
PC: Yeah. (LRH: and PC laugh) You're trapped any way you do it. | |
LRH: All right, honey. Well, you go ahead and answer it or not, as you please. (laughs) | |
PC: Okay. | |
LRH: Okay. All right. Have you failed to answer any question or command I've given you in this session? That's clean. Thank you. You see, you didn't get a chance to answer me, did you? | |
PC: Mmm. . | |
LRH: All right. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? There's a tiny, latent slowdown. Is there a little bit of something that ... | |
PC: Just uh ... | |
LRH: That's it. | |
PC: I'm sure if I dredged, I probably could find a lot of things, but like I - you haven't missed anything. | |
LRH: All right. But in this session ... | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: ... in this session ... | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: ... what we have done ... | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: ... have I missed a withhold on you? | |
PC: No. | |
LRH: All right. I got a tick. I got a little latent tick here. | |
PC: Yeah. Well, I'm afraid if I take a look that I'm going to find something. Then it's going to be missed. | |
LRH: Go ahead and take a look. | |
PC: Okay. | |
LRH: I'm running this session. You relax! | |
PC: (laughs) Yeah. Okay. | |
LRH: (chuckles) All right. | |
PC: Let's see. (pause) No. Nothing. | |
LRH: All right. All right, let me check that again. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? I got a click. | |
PC: Mmm. | |
LRH: That's it. That's it. That's it. Right there. | |
PC: Well just uh ... see, this didn't turn up in this session. | |
LRH: Hm? | |
PC: It didn't turn up in this session, but it's - it's here now. | |
LRH: What is it? | |
PC: That's what I don't understand. | |
LRH: All right. Well, all right. | |
PC: Uh well, like I've got some discreditable habits that I don't particularly like uh ... to talk about. | |
LRH: All right. All right. | |
PC: You know? | |
LRH: All right. Have I failed to find out about those? | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: All right. Good. Good. All right. In this session have I missed a withhold on you? Well, it's just a latent tick now. - Now, what did you think of on that latent tick? | |
PC: Just wondering, well, are you going to - if it's going to click again. | |
LRH: Click click, click; There it is. | |
PC: Yeah. Just - just wondering, is it going to click again? | |
LRH: Well, no, it's latent. | |
PC: Mmm. | |
LRH: It's latent. I'm just being mean. I'm just cleaning it up hard ... | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: ... see? All right. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? Yeah. Tick. | |
PC: Hmm. | |
LRH: Tick. | |
PC: Well, what you're you've missed is I get uh ... just my ... my mmm ... I'm thinking thoughts, and now it's a missed withhold, and damn it. You know? | |
LRH: What is it? | |
PC: Just, well. | |
LRH: Are you sitting there trying to run the session? | |
PC: Uh ... | |
LRH: Trying to keep yourself from thinking things and thinking things and ... | |
PC: Uh ... yeah. Actually, I'm trying not to dump all my case in your lap. | |
LRH: Well, thank you. Are you trying to keep me from missing a withhold? (chuckles) | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: Yeah. All right. (chuckles) | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: You're working much too hard, you know? | |
PC: Yeah. I am. | |
LRH: You know? That's my job just now. (laughs) | |
PC: Yeah. (chuckles) Okay. | |
LRH: All right. Now, what I've asked for and what I've looked into, you've told me, haven't you? | |
PC: Mm-hm. | |
LRH: Right. All right. Now, let me ask this question again. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? There, that's very latent, and we're just going to leave it that way. | |
PC: Good. | |
LRH: All right. Because I think that one came up from anxiety of "is it going to be clean?" | |
PC: Yeah. It did. | |
LRH: You sure have a hell of a time with the meter. | |
PC: Yeah, I do. | |
LRH: Yeah. You're not used to an auditor like me. I just maul you around and say (chuckles) you're supposed to do this and that. | |
PC: Haaa. (sighs) | |
LRH: All right. Look around here and tell me if you can have anything. Click! | |
PC: I can really here that picture. It reminds me of the outrigger picture, the one that's in The Outrigger in Seattle. | |
LRH: All right. Good enough. Let me check this again. | |
PC: Mmm. | |
LRH: Look around here and tell me if you can have anything. Tiny slowdown. What else did you run into? | |
PC: I was staring right into the face of the camera. | |
LRH: Oh, all right. It isn't on, that one. | |
PC: Ah, good-o. | |
LRH: All right. Let me check it again. | |
PC: Okay | |
LRH: All right. Look around here and tell me if you can have anything. | |
PC: That telephone. | |
LRH: That's my girl. | |
PC: Mm. | |
LRH: That was quite late. | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: So we're just going to leave that one right there. | |
PC: Good. | |
LRH: You might give me a can - wait just a minute now. This ... | |
PC: I've got them clutched awfully hard. | |
LRH: That's all right. I just - well, let me make sure that you've got some havingness here. | |
Squeeze them. Man! Man, who runs you with havingness that far down? What's your ordinary havingness run? | |
PC: Point out something. | |
LRH: Hm? | |
PC: You mean the process? | |
LRH: Yeah. | |
PC: Point out something. | |
LRH: Yeah? Well, here we go. We're going to run a few commands of that. All right? | |
PC: Would it be if - okay if I just do it like ... | |
LRH: That? Just do it right like that. | |
PC: Okay. | |
LRH: All right. Point out something. | |
PC: You. | |
LRH: Thank you. Point out something. | |
PC: That lamp. | |
LRH: Thank you. Point out something. | |
PC: That picture. | |
LRH: Thank you. Point out something. | |
PC: That - that thing on the mantel. | |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | |
PC: The camera. | |
LRH: Thank you. All right. Squeeze the cans, just like you did before. | |
PC: Mmm. | |
LRH: Boy, that's certainly not much can squeeze. How are you holding those cans? | |
PC: I'm clutching them. | |
LRH: All right. Give them a squeeze. All right. Point out something. | |
PC: The telephone. | |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | |
PC: Those uh ... curtains. | |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | |
PC: The radiator. | |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | |
PC: The ... the television. | |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | |
PC: That chair. | |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | |
PC: That camera. | |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | |
PC: Uh ... that cabinet. | |
LRH: Good. All right. Squeeze the cans. | |
All right. Point out something. | |
PC: The couch. | |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | |
PC: That fireplace. | |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | |
PC: The fire. | |
LRH: Good Point out something. | |
PC: Uh, the model under - on the floor: | |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | |
PC: Uh ... that glass. | |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | |
PC: The lights. | |
LRH: All right. Put your cans in your lap now. All right. Squeeze the cans. That's better. | |
PC: Mmm. | |
LRH: All right. Point out something. | |
PC: That case. | |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | |
PC: That chest. | |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | |
PC: Uh ... those wires. | |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | |
PC: The curtains. | |
LRH: All right. If it's all right with you, I'll give you two more commands and end this process. | |
PC: Fine. | |
LRH: Very good. Point out something. | |
PC: Uh ... you. (chuckles) | |
LRH: Good. Point out something. | |
PC: The sign. | |
LRH: Good. All right. Is there anything you care to say before I end that process? | |
PC: Just I feel more here. | |
LRH: All right. Excellent. End of process. | |
PC: Okay. | |
LRH: Okay. Now, have you made any part of your gains this session - any part of your goals for this session, which was to find the missed withhold?" | |
PC: Yeah. That one doesn't seem very real to me somehow. But uh ... | |
LRH: That goal? Yeah? | |
PC: Yeah. It just uh ... what's more real to me is that uh ... the chronic PTP is more handled. | |
LRH: (chuckles) Oh, all right. | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: Well, did we find something about this, and so forth? | |
PC: Yeah, on that one. | |
LRH: All right. Then you say "to get this PTP handled." Do you feel better about this PTP? | |
PC: Yeah I do. | |
LRH: All right, honey. Very good. All right. Is there any gains you'd care to mention? | |
PC: Well I just feel uh ... much more comfortable about you. That's a big gain. | |
LRH: (chuckles) All right. | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: Okay. | |
PC: Yes. | |
LRH: All right. Anything else? | |
PC: Uh ... (pause) There's another gain here, but I don't know how to put it. Um ... | |
Yes, I do too know what it is. Uh ... um ... more willingness to communicate freely in front of a-a-a group. I didn't realize I'd be this comfortable about that. | |
LRH: (chuckles) Oh, all right. Very good. | |
PC: I didn't have to not-is them either. I was sort of on the edge of awareness that they were there. | |
LRH: (chuckles) Well, I must say you came through excellently well with that little warning. That ... | |
PC: Yeah. | |
LRH: That was a surprise. | |
PC: I was totally in awe when I came up. | |
LRH: All right. And then, is there anything that you would care to say or ask before I end this session? | |
PC: No. That's all. | |
LRH: All right. Is it all right with you if I end this session now? | |
PC: Mmm. | |
LRH: All right. Here it is. End of session. | |
Okay. Has the session ended for you? | |
PC: Yes. | |
LRH: Very good. Tell me I'm no longer auditing you. | |
PC: You're no longer auditing me. | |
LRH: All right. Very good. | |
PC: And thanks again. | |
LRH: You're certainly welcome. | |